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Is Cosway or eCosway a scam

By Edited Nov 13, 2013 3 73

Is the SE Pendant 0352 dangerous for your health?

I spend quite a bit of time reading forums on topics like business and living overseas. One thing that really bugs me, is from time to time you get people trying to promote MLM (multi-level marketing) or network marketing schemes.

Most of them are clones in some way of Amway, one of the most well known network marketing companies. From time to time a new company comes along offering fantastic new products and lots of new promises for people to make money.

Cosway or eCosway is one of these new companies. It was brought to my attention from a forum post that offered people to get set up in their own retail business for free! One thing I have learnt in life is that nothing is ever for free.

The way the company was being sold on the forum, was that anyone could apply to get their own Cosway store. When I checked the website, it talked mainly about people operating a virtual or e-commerce website. There were some pictures of physical stores, but I have never seen any actual stores. The comp

eCosway scam
any has its head quarters in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and when I was there recently, I didn't come across any stores in any of the major shopping centers there.

Most companies have lists of their stores on their websites and information on their products. MLM companies though, usually only have a brief description on their company on the front page and then you need to become a member to view the rest of the website. This makes it difficult to get real information about the company and the company's activities.

Ecosway promotes itself as a way for people to save money on their shopping, but their products are mostly non-essential items with dubious health benefits such as slimming and beauty products. Just take at one of their products, the "Bioglo BodyLite Thermo-Active Body Shaping Gel". The product promises to "melt away" your body fat. Is there anyone who actually believes that you can apply a gel to your skin and you will lose weight? They even give a list of some of the product's ingredients: chilli pepper, essential oils, fruits and herbs.

Like many MLM companies, eCosway promises people to create a second income, "The combination of eCosway's unprecedented global business opportunity and unique, no breakaway Profit Plan allows you to build a fast, lucrative and everlasting income from the continuous and unlimited growth of your global network of consumers and Business Owners."

The problem is to start making any money, you need to purchase a certain amount of products every month. There is also an annual fee to become a member of eCosway.

While most MLM companies promise wealth and riches, the reality is that only the few people at the top actually make any real money. To stay as an active "business owner" with eCosway, you need to purchase a certain amount of product every month, so if you can't introduce anyone else to the company, you might even lose money with the scheme.

Update: Some of the comments on this article have accused me of not doing enough research. So, I decided to see what further information I could find on Ecosway and information about opening your own store.

About the company and its tactics on the share market I did find this quote by the edge Malaysia: "BHK (Berjaya Holdings Hong Kong), which is listed on the Hong Kong stock exchange, had been queried on a number of occasions about unusual market activity involving its shares." Source: http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-news/151284-bcorp-sells-cosway-to-hk-unit.html

About opening your own store, firstly that is restriced to women only in Malaysia. Due to anti-discrimination laws this would not be possible in many countries. eCosway likes to promote that anyone can open a store, the fact is it is not easy at all.

Firstly it would be impossible for every BO or business owner (eCosway member) to have their own store. Only a small percentage will end up being able to open a store. To open a store you need to pass an interview and exam. Test scores are not given to people who take the test and overall the process is criticized by people for not being transparent.

If you are able to go on to open your own store, you will need to work at least 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. Once you close your shop, you will need to spend some time calculating sales etc. You can employ staff but this will come out of your own sales commission. You have to meet sales targets or your contract could be terminated. The required sales are around 20 times the rent of the shop. Your profit is 5-10 per cent of sales.

You do have to pay a deposit of RM 10,000 to open the shop. Most of the expenses of running the shop are paid by eCosway, including rent, electricity etc. The operator of the "free" shop will need to pay for water, telephone installation and insurance.

To join as a business owner you only need to pay 100 RM. When you join you are given the opportunity to purchase set packages at discount at 40-50 per cent discount during the first 30 days. The 500eV package for example costs upwards of RM2,300. These packages are not compulsory but if you are interested in opening your own store, people will suggest you purchase the higher priced package to show that you are serious.

SE Pendant 0352

There has been some controversy over the SE Pendent 0352, which eCosway is selling.  From its website, the pendant "is an energy accessory that has been proven by reputable bodies to emit Far Infrared Rays (FIR) and scalar energy. It facilitates the conductivity & flow of Bio-Energy with the presence of germanium and invigorates the mind & body with its abundant negative ions."

Just who the "reputable bodies" are, the site does not say specifically.  The company makes various claims on the affect of wearing the pendent, including: improving your gold swing, making students more alert, increasing your metabolism and keeping your body trim and helping people with aches and pains. 

Sounds great, but the Hong Kong customs and excise department has urged people not wear pendents with enhanced radioactivity.  The report does not mention eCosway specifically, but the picture of the pendant the name, are exactly the same as the ones being sold by eCosway (not in HK however!) (http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/200909/09/P200909090271.htm).

Acting on information from the Department of Health that a pendant for sale was potentially harmful to health, officers of the C&ED seized 2,835 pieces of "SE Pendant 0352" from a chain store.

Samples of the seized pendants were sent to the Department of Health and the Government Laboratory for analysis and testing. Analysis results revealed that the radioactivity concentrations of radioactive thorium-232 and uranium-238 in the pendant were both above the limit recommended by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)for commodity products.   

According to the Department of Health, short term contact with the pendant would not result in immediate effect to health. As the radiation dose from a single pendant may reach 50% - 60% of the annual skin dose limit recommended by the International Commission on Radiological Protection, year-long contact with the pendant may result in erythema of the skin in some individuals. The risk of skin cancer also increases with the duration of contact.


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Nov 8, 2009 4:51am
Happy2binEC
I would like to address several inaccurate claims in your post.
First of all, you dispute the fact that people can apply for their own retail store and that you did not see any stores when you were in Malaysia. I don't know what the post you read said -- not EVERYONE can get a retail store -- obviously that would be ridiculous. But certainly a lot of people have gotten free stores from Cosway/eCosway. "Free" means that the company pays the rental costs, electricity cost, equipment costs, etc. and provides all the products on consignment. The only thing the applicant has to pay for is his or her own labour. Usually a couple and a few friends or relatives will run the store together so they don't have to pay any other employees. So yes, the store is provided free. And yes, it is a retail store. If you didn't see any in malls, you weren't looking very hard. Here is a link to a map where you can click and see the hundreds and hundreds of stores throughout Malaysia. I just attended the grand opening of one of our retail stores in Brisbane, Australia yesterday :-)

http://www.cosway.com.my/main_distribution.htm#

Next, I would like to address the product range. How can you say that most of their products are non-essential when they sell everything from toothpaste to cleaning products, to condoms! Household products, cookware, many skin care ranges, many ranges of personal care items (like shampoos, lotions etc.) health products of PROVEN, certified etc. quality, Many all natural, organic superfoods, etc... And that BodyLite cream you are insulting is has been a very popular item for many years. Why would people keep re-buying it if they didn't see some results. I personally love the results I have gotten from eCosway's slimming products.

You seem to be annoyed by the fact that you have to purchase a certain amount of products every month and there is an annual fee. You say those like they are bad things. In fact, the monthly sales requirement is incredibly low for a network marketing company. 15 eV is aprox $USD 15 worth of sales volume. The average person in the company spends closer to 50eV with no requirement to do so! They just love the value for money products and would rather buy from themselves and earn something than give their money to a big supermarket. And the annual fee for eCosway Business Owners in Malaysia is only RM50 -- that is an incredibly low fee to own your own business. If the business isn't working for you, don't pay it! Nothing ventured nothing gained. Shoppers don't have to pay that fee. They can pay a much lower fee to participate in a VIP Shopper program which gives them great discounts and prizes, or they can just pay retail prices which are very good prices to begin with.

Unlike most MLM companies, eCosway is well known for NOT ripping people off. The Incredible discounts and special deals you get on things you are already buying (from your local stores at higher prices) give you many many times your small joining fee back.

I agree with you that many network marketing or MLM opportunities are scams and it's easy to lose your money... but I don't think you did your homework on eCosway before writing this report. The company is renowned for "value for money" and a genuine, long-term, sustainable business opportunity -- it is not a get rich quick scam.

You also say that with most MLM companies, ""only the few people at the top actually make any real money". I happen to be very near the "top"of eCosway, and while I am extremely happy with my very large and very steady eCosway income, I am not the top earner. There are many people below me who are earning WAY more than me. It all depends on how hard you work the business, and how you structure your group. I think that the current top earner joined less than one year ago. Everyone has a fair chance at this, and a much BETTER chance at succeeding in this business than anything else I've seen because it's easy to build a network, it's easy for the people in the network to buy, and everyone is happy with the High-quality, Very nicely-priced products. No rip offs means low drop out, means long-term SUSTAINABLE income.

I am very happy to have found eCosway, and anyone who wants more information (that you say is so hard to find) is welcome to visit any of these sites:

http://www.ecosway.com/home/7777 -- Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Taiwan, Thailand, Korea, USA, Japan

http://www.ecoswayaus.com/au/7777 -- Australia

http://www.ecosopp.com/home/7777 -- Chinese
Jul 5, 2011 6:38am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Jan 17, 2010 1:24am
StevenYew
Wonder why retireyoung has not replied to comments from Happy2binEC. If you go to www.coswindo.com you will see that there is an ecosway store listed in Bali.
Jul 5, 2011 6:31am
fxeasy
DEAR ALL,

Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else
Jan 17, 2010 4:28am
retireyoung
Can you send me a link to the Bali store? Or what is the address? I will happily check it out and report back.
Jan 17, 2010 5:25am
StevenYew
Actually I already stated above. It's http://www.coswindo.com/ppc.html and you could have just googled it. I am opening "my store" next month in Kuala Lumpur and also applying for a store in Singapore for spouse.
Jan 17, 2010 7:35am
retireyoung
So you can get the store for free, or are there set up costs involved? The location of the Bali store is not so clear though. Do you know where it is exactly? (RAMAYANA d/h HARDY'S) Sesetan Lt.1 Blok 3 Jl. Raya sesetan No. 122 Bali
Jan 18, 2010 3:17pm
StevenYew
So sorry I have not been to Bali for many years. This free store was started only about 2 years ago and there are already about 1000 stores in Asia. In Indonesia, it started middle of last year and now has only about 40 stores. In Malaysia, there are already about 300 stores and they are opening a new store everyday in different towns. Yes, all the store set up costs are paid by the company including monthly rentals and security deposits, store renovation, all fittings and equipments in the store and all the stocks on consignment.
Jan 21, 2010 2:05am
harikollam
eCosway Cheat Indian Distributors , they stop business in India
Jan 21, 2010 5:48am
StevenYew
I am just an independent business owner so I can't say anything on behalf of eCosway on their business venture in India. What I heard is that eCosway lost money in India. I think probably the business volume fell way below projection due to low income level of the general population.

"Cheat" is a strong word and be careful you might be sued. Anyway were you a distributor and what do you mean by "Cheat".

(1)Did they not refund you your security deposit after any deduction for missing stock & etc?
(2)Did you had to pay for stock unsold?
(3)Did they asked you to pay back the rentals and renovation cost, etc?

You can't be blaming them for pulling out of India if the business generated is insufficient to survive. Nobody goes into business to lose. You would cut lost too if the business you go into is losing money every month! I am sure they will go back to India if the per capita income increases to a certain level. It's the same with car manufacturer. They only go into a country with certain level of per capita income. Maybe eCosway was too eager to go into India thinking of its huge population without doing proper homework and only realise later that most of the huge population are poor and not the target market.
Jan 21, 2010 6:52pm
anneffendi
Am a Cosway VIP shopper and personally like their products.
I like their detergent products when I first bought 20yrs ago.Recently, I went to their outlet in Boon Lay,SG , was surprised on the extensive range of products they have now ,its like a mini supermarket.
Jan 27, 2010 9:14am
StevenYew
TO harikollam:
You threw a stone and hid your hand!
Jan 28, 2010 2:42pm
kodeexii
Salam n Hola

Allow me to straighten a few more details about Cosway and eCosway. RetireYoung mentioned that Cosway and eCosway are new companies. That's not quite right. Cosway has been around and in business since 1979. They were even on the KLSE at one time. eCosway is the relatively new kid in town. It came to life in 2001 or so. Almost ten years now since it started business. I don't think any scamming business will ever last that long. Word of mouth alone would have killed it off.

In terms of products. As with any businesses, we can't satisfy every one. However, Cosway have been able to satisfy the majority of it's members - business owners and shoppers. As a matter of fact, the number of members have been increasing tremendously and continue to increase.

How do I know this? Try hang out at any of the eCosway stores. Every day, new shoppers register as members. Mind you, these are just vip shoppers. They are not in it to make money. They just want vip shopper privileges - discounts and coupons.

Now, if the products are scammy and crappy, would anyone join into the program? Again, word of mouth among the shopper members alone would probably have killed off the program if indeed it is bad as you assume it is. The fact that members (vip shoppers) are increasing surely means that the products are well liked by consumers.

The Free Store concept introduced by eCosway is truly an amazing opportunity for those interested. Well, you are right about one thing - No, it's not for every one. Only selected Business Owners are provided with a store. All Business Owners are allowed to submit their store proposals if they would like to open one.

Business Owners will then undergo a selection and training process before a store is allocated to them. The company then pays for the expenses involved in running the store - rental, renovation, electricity bills, etc. Of course, the business owner still have a few operational costs to think about like staff salary.

Think this is a scam too? I beg to differ. A former colleague of mine is now living proof that it is no scam. She is operating her own eCosway store in one the busiest hypermarket in Shah Alam, Selangor, Malaysia.

Insyallah, I will also be following her footsteps soon. I will be opening my own store next month near my house.

At the moment, eCosway is indeed rapidly expanding the number of stores throughout the region. In fact, the company is not only expanding in the South East Asia region. They are expanding globally.

Wouldn't you like to run your own retail store for free like the many Condo Store Owners including me?
Jul 5, 2011 6:32am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Mar 7, 2010 11:43am
harvey88
hello brother (retireyoung)...first of all are u an eCosway member? Have u step foot into Malaysia coz i guarantee u can find eCosway store in most of the shopping malls. For example at Berjaya Time Square, Wisma Cosway,Sunway pyramid, most of the hypermarkets such as Giants, Tesco, Carrefour. U have done your homework very poorly.
Mar 8, 2010 3:04am
hcfoo
retireyoung, obviously you've not done your research properly and simply jumped into conclusion.

I'm a user myself and my family have been using Cosway products for over 20 years now. We trust Cosway products because of its quality and value.

And staying in Malaysia, I've seen the mushrooming of eCosway stores everywhere from hypermarkets to housing areas. I like the '7-Eleven' concept as I can get my products easily from 10 to 10 everyday.

Personally I have heard friend's friend who had applied for a store but she didn't pass the interview as she wasn't ready to commit. I heard the applicants are strictly vetted to ensure good management, salesmanship, etc.

I guess there must be reasons why eCosway didn't last long in India. But obviously the company is doing well in countries with high per capita income like Australia, Korea, Taiwan, etc and coming soon the USA and Japan.

hopefully retireyoung will read and think carefully before making such claims.
Mar 11, 2010 10:02pm
JudiJenkins
Hi retireyoung

From the outpouring of positive responses I hope you will reassess your position.

If you'd like to see photos of eCosway stores go to the links below which show the opening of two stores in Sydney, Australia located in Hurstville and Cabramatta.
http://judijenkins.com/2009/09/ecosway-cabramatta-store-opening/
http://judijenkins.com/2009/07/ecosway-store-opening-hurstville-sydney/

There are also stores in Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. In addition to these stores there are many people who run a smaller home stockist businesses. These people are so happy they are usually the ones who apply for the Free Store - they know that everyone (not just members) loves the products and prices.
Cosway is listed on the HK Stock Exchange - stock code 288 - today the shares are HKD1.07 - there are 12.6 Billion issued shares. Converting that = USD1,737,442,781.00 (calculated today). This is not some new fly-by-night company. As other comments have related, the company Cosway dates back to 1979 with eCosway in 2001/2002. In fact it is part of a still larger company called Berjaya Group. The company is highly regarded by the Malaysian government, having been awarded "MSC Status" by the Malaysian government for its contribution to the growth and development of information technology and e-commerce in the region.

eCosway has a very ethical and sustainable business model. In fact, part of their business model is to provide access to quality products at the best prices. We are proud to tell others about the eCosway products and business opportunity because nobody ever gets ripped off or hurt. Instead, they get great products, great prices, super convenience and super income potential.

If you fully understood and worked within this business model you really could "retireyoung". Check out http://www.ecoswayaus.com/au/au101227

Regarding India, I believe this was an unfortunate experience for the company as some people there simply took the consignment stock and disappeared. Without a level of trust, the business could no longer be conducted there. A pity that a few people in India destroyed the opportunity for others in their country. The company's pricing structure was not the issue.

I trust that you will actually conduct your proper due diligence and retract your statements. While it is admirable that you want to protect people from scams you're not doing anyone any favours with the negative views in your post.

This year eCosway is expanding the "free store" concept and is launching in the USA, Japan and UK.
The important points of the FREE store concept are:-
• Everything is installed at no cost to the operator
• No set up costs - free renovation/fitout (eCosway provides)
• Free equipment and display materials (eCosway provides)
• Free computer hardware and software (eCosway provides)
• Free Plasma TV (eCosway provides)
• Free CCTV Security System (eCosway provides)
• Free buntings and mannequins (eCosway provides)
• Free stock on a consignment basis (eCosway provides)
• Free site rental (eCosway pays)
• Free electricity and water bills (eCosway pays)
• No promotional costs or advertising needed – eCosway sends brochures to all Business Owners and VIP shoppers on a regular basis.

A business operators dream.
Jun 16, 2010 10:23pm
MicCheah
Hi Judi,
I'm interested in having a GO for the "free store", can you tell me the procedures to get into it?
TQ
Jul 5, 2011 6:37am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Apr 9, 2010 2:27am
amasai
Hi to those who r looking at the eCosway Biz,

I'm very annoyed with people who used negative or slanderous tactics to get ratings or popularity for their own gains on the internet. (this article is pretty much in the top 10 on the search engines regarding eCosway.)

First of all, this Mike Henry is totally unethical and absolutely without credentials when posting a blog like this. I don't even have to defend eCosway for the actual credible people or members have already addressed the issues.

Maybe it's a lessons for all IM'ers and MLM'ers to do our own diligent research before getting involved with any Businesses. WE could be missing out on a real opportunity if we listened to deceptive people like Mike.

I believe we can still find some business integrity in the business world at large. For online marketers, let it be "readers beware!"

ps- eCosway is for REAL --- do your own research and get the words out from the horse's mouth.

As for me, I would not have anything to do with this Mike Henry guy.

All the best to your eCosway endeavors!
Jul 5, 2011 6:40am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Apr 23, 2010 4:40am
VincentTan
Let me put this into perspective.

1) RetireYoung haven't done his homework properly. There are many e-Cosway stores blooming all over...in fact way too many.

2) e-Cosway isn't EXACTLY clean either. Why?

Let me explain no. 2). This e-Cosway/Cosway is owned by Berjaya Group. And who is the head honcho in Berjaya. Vincent Tan (not me, the real one). Tan Sri Vincent Tan to be exact. He is a most prominent business man in Malaysia...famous for being the ex-Prime Minister Dr Mahathir, crony of 22 years of ruling. Vicent Tan is also a famous for what? Stock Manipulator. He has a history of manipulating stocks to artificially push it up and then leave the business for dead..while the ordinary people/small fries who invested in his stocks all got burnt... It is no different with e-Cosway. Just late last year, he has pushed the e-Cosway into the Hongkong stock market via a reverse sales from one of his HK companies i think. He has been very active promoting e-Cosway the last year or so... the way i see it this is his modus operandi, make an item hot, fan up the price...and then BAMMMM, dump it out and make his money and leave the small fries languish. The real money is in the stock market...he seriously doesn't care if e-Cosway lives or dies. He'll make another new one and burn more people again and repeat the cycle.

Now, back to e-Cosway. It isn't exactly "Free" shop as advertised. You need to make enough network points (anyone familiar with MLM will know you have to play the number game to place ur downline here and there etc) in order to qualify. My sister is one such victim. They only tell her last minute she doesn't qualify for dunno what points and have to pay a deposit of dunno how many thousand ringgits in order to secure a shop.

Furthermore, from what my sister explained to me, the scheme is Shop is just a front end to make the business looks more legit and more 'brick and mortar'. The commission from the shop is actually very little and the main meat is from building up your network just like a typical MLM. Another strange thing i heard is that they encourage people to drop the shop after a certain period so that other people can 'own' it next...not sure how it works, but sure sounds scammy!!!

In other words, this is very much a typical MLM dressed up smartly (by a very old fox in the business) trying to look legit, unique and different among the gazillion mlm schemes/scams. I won't say it's a scam totally...Vincent is an old fox who knows the people in power, money to bribe, and truckload of lawyers who can draw up 1,000,000 pages of grey areas where the law can't touch.

So last words, think THRICE before investing in any MLM...especially if it's from Vincent Tan.
Apr 23, 2010 4:51am
VincentTan
oh, forgot to add.

I look at COSWAY products...bleu...hardly anything unique...some MLM actually have some unique and good products, while most just OEM it from somewhere cheap...like some run down factory in China. The COSWAY product catalog is a joke. I've seen much more interesting products from other MLM.(Not that i'll buy them anyway). There's no incentive for people outside of the network to buy the product for personal use unless you're brainwashing yourself to build a business out of it.

And for Vincent Tan, remember, the REAL MONEY is in the stock market...e-Cosway is just another pawn in his unending game.
Apr 27, 2010 7:06am
hcfoo
VincentTan, you obviously sound political more than practical... probably a hater too.

LOL! I can't stop laughing when I read your comments. It's totally baseless and I won't waste my time to explain why.
Apr 28, 2010 9:31pm
VincentTan
hcfoo: You won't explain, because you can't. :)

Cheers.
May 18, 2010 5:51pm
joko
I see www.ecosway.com, I smell a MLM.
A MLM is not bad, but I don't think is good too.
MLM is just another distribution model, no more, no less.
It can make you rich, just like if you become big distributor in common distribution model.
The problem is most of MLM member have over expectation for become rich without working at all. Which is impossible !!! You need to make a network, grow your market to become big distributor.
Jun 6, 2010 2:43am
bingo
It is misleading to say the commission from the shop is very little and the main meat is from the marketing network. Please be reminded the shop helps the operator to recuit new members who don't only contribute the store turnover, but also expand the marketing network. With eCosway stores, members don't have to confine themselves among their friends and relatives, they now have opportunity to face the public without any cost. The store is always the fundamental source of income.

Certainly, a 1st hand store which allow operator to grasp more customers and memeber would be preferrable than a 2nd hand store. It is not a problem of the free store scheme itself, timing is the determinant of one's sucess. This free store scheme will be extended to U.S.A in June 2010 and Japan later on, it is a great opportunity to everyone who wants to develop one's own business when the market is green. Anybody who are interested to get more information may bingo3668@gmail.com.
Jun 11, 2010 10:09am
kinxx
I don't know, well personally ive been doubting cosway for only one main reason, because it sells so many god damned products at the same time. How is a business supposed to be good if they sell a massive range of products? Where do they even get these things, i know they are distributors of the products, but are the products that they sell even safe? No offence, but, i have never seen any of the brands that they sell any where in super markets or otherwise. They sell health products, these things are mean't to only be sold in pharmacies?? ?i don't understand. Well, what im trying to say it, if i want to buy food, i go to a supermarket. If i want to buy health products, i go to a pharmacy. If i want to buy condoms, lol, i go to uhhh...7/11?? haha.
Jun 13, 2010 12:47pm
bingo
A company selling a range of products doesn't mean the business is not profitable. Walmart sells even more different products.

eCosway is exporting the products to different countries, including Taiwan, Thailand, Philippines and Hong Kong, I trust the customs of all these countries have checked the safety reports of all eCosway products.
Jul 16, 2010 6:31am
NZLaunch
It's a real shame to see an original post like this that shows a very obvious lack of research. Additionally, some posts that are obviously just being DEVIOUS, but also great to see some really good comments that do an excellent job of defending eCosway.

I'm very involved in helping spread eCosway in New Zealand, and with 20 years of prior networking experience, it's refreshing to find such a fine company as eCosway to align myself with.

eCosway offers a unique business opportunity, unlike any other company before it. A true blend of bricks & mortar, combined with mutual networking!

Please understand: eCosway is NOT an MLM company in the sense that TOTAL SALES VOLUME is the order of the day and that does NOT NECESSIATE multi-levels of distributors.

Products coming into Australia, New Zealand etc, have to meet all sorts of requirements, some very stringent, so there's little fear of 'bad' products getting in...not only that, eCosway has departments dedicated to making sure that they only introduce the BEST products from the best manufactures in their field to their distributors / customers.

I would also like to point out that with over 1500 stores and tens of thousands of distributors & customers, eCosway has MASSIVE BUYING POWER, which means that they can purchase the highest quality brands in huge quantities and supply those products at much lower prices for resale, and still share healthy profits with all its distributors.

In finishing, I'd just like to say DO YOUR RESEARCH and decide for yourself, but remember it's only AU$60 to register to become a Business Owner, and share in the REWARDS that can be had as your business grows internationally.

If anyone from New Zealand reading this would like to become involved in the New Zealand launch, which is taking place around September, feel free to email me and reserve for yourself an early position on paper at no cost or obligation: david@bizop.info
Jul 5, 2011 6:41am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Aug 3, 2010 12:11am
globalwealth
This is really a hot topic in Malaysia - 'FREE' store. Economic climate is not good and what better way to make a living with someone financing your operation. No worries on cash flow, but enjoy cash 'in-flow'!!
Most Bos are now talking about China market. Everyone sees the potential there and are working to get their network up once eCosway starts in China.
http://zerocostfranchise.co.cc
Aug 20, 2010 7:41am
exmember
hmmm...interesting .want to know 1st hand about this eCosway?
Aug 20, 2010 8:12am
exmember
I am a ex member, frankly if you got nothing to do,also don't go into this business in Australia or New Zealand. It is a waste of time. The money commission is no good, they are using the stockist especially the home based to promote their products. The reason why they give you consignment stocks is because no one want to pay upfront for the stocks. I have seen the stockist working 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days for a miserable small sum of money. You cannot afford to hire a full time staff or you will lose money. eCosway is very smart using the stockist so as not to pay salary, you will work like a dog all your life for this company.I have seen many home based stockist give up this business and also many new ones set up because everyone initially thought they can make money but in the end they found out that it is a waste of time. The effort you put in is not worth your time. What Vincent Tan say is very true about Tan Sri. I am a Malaysian I know and so is every Malaysian who reside in Malaysia knows how this Tan Sri work. Well, if you do not believe go into it and time will tell. It is that simple.
Aug 21, 2010 9:20am
lucaslim
Hi, my name is Lucas Lim. me & my wife is currently operating an eCosway store here in Malaysia. eCosway & Cosway is definately NOT a SCAM.

We went thru the whole process to get the FREE STORE and here we are..we got it... We never join any MLM companies before this... At the begining
we also have the same worry whether FREE STORE is a SCAM...We join on 4th Oct 2009 and my wife went for the INTERVIEW in WISMA COSWAY in KL...On 8th Feb 2010 and passed... After that my wife went for the TRAINNING for 3 weeks in KL and got our FREE STORE opened on 27th June 2010...

How can all these be SCAM???... We been very pleased with the business and making 5 figure income for past month.... If u don't know what u are talking about please don't comment or else it is NOT FAIR to others...

eCosway is going to start open FREE STORE in USA from this month... Anyone whom is interested to open this FREE STORE he or she can contract me... at
lucascyc@yahoo.com

We are looking for DYNAMIC & PROACTIVE partner in USA, UK, NEW ZEALAND & JAPAN... As PIONEER in this new FREE FRANCHISING BUSINESS...

Thank u
Jul 5, 2011 6:42am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Sep 6, 2010 12:40pm
chcukbass
I've just happend to hear Cosway from a friend and he told me all the advantages and differences of it from other MLM companies like Amway, Nuskin or Forever. The first impression I got was..there's no free lunch on earth, you have to work hard to gain what you deserve. Thats why I googled it and found this site, I looked at every comment here, positive and negative.

Nothing offensive..just one comment for the very first responder Happy2binEC, if the Bodylite cream does work so well, why do you need to keep buying? Shouldnt you be very "Slim" now?

Someone said if Walmart can see diff range of prodcuts, so does Cosway, I live in Hong Kong and have never been or known any stores here, my only question is Walmart or Target sell all different things from the brands we all know like Loreal or Kenwood. Why does Cosway get some "good" stuff where these retailing giant could not even get?

Last but not the least, if Cosway is not making a huge profit, where do you think your commission is coming from? I dont really get the fact that if I am not a member or so called BO, I dont get the discount and I have to pay a huge on the same products?
Sep 14, 2010 12:28am
seanli
1.To add comment in BARREL, i have to sign up as a member, so are many other things that has privileges for MEMBERS. be fair when u ACCUSED E-Cosway. Btw,NON-member can still view the products, company, profit plan etc @ http://www.ecosway.com/usstore/us/ProductsMain_us.jsp.
SUCCESSFUL people get things done/responsible, do their research-hardworking and think positive. (thats why u dont see billionaires wasting time-online forum)

2.Walmart expend their biz by selling so MANY products from cheap to expensive and nobody complain but spent $$? CVS, Walgreen sells MORE then just pharmacy/medicine, why nobody complaint?? 7/11 convenient store, why people like it? Some people go for quality, price, convenient etc -not everyone likes the same products! Some people only uses DIOR handbag (not sold in local store). Try E-cosway product before you judge!

3.What type of shampoo and detergent do billionaires/celebrities use?? Dont just assume everyone is like YOU who buy lowest price item or the brand YOU like or etc. Again, some people choose $$, brand, quality etc. Travel the world to expand your knowledge about consumerism.

4.Actors/actress/singers sell an album/Blu-ray for $$ and u did not complaint they rip off your $$?? A company sells a shampoo and earn some $$ and share with its members/distributor who helps advertise and YOU COMPLAINT? Btw, Walmart sells and earn from products too, right??

5.Some people feels comfortable working 9 hours daily from Mon-Fri earning FIX FLAT LOW income (but complaint every year). For those who are willing to work harder and earn MORE to be like those BILLIONAIRES, anything wrong?? ALL successful people DARE to try and venture out, anything wrong??

6.I have SO MUCH more to say, but sorry i am too busy earning my FERRARI/dream. I DO NOT want to sit and worry and never get anything achieved and regret dying poor. (if u sit and complaint, u still need to eat and grow a day older) ALL successful people starts from nothing but hardwork.

7.My family is active in E-cosway (Malaysia-China-Australia-NZ-USA)
Those with dreams, contact me for more info @ c_seanli@yahoo.com.sg / 609-224-7477 / http://www.ecosway.com/usstore/us/ProductsMain_us.jsp.
there is an online presentation every wednesday & thursday evening. CONTACT me NOW.
Jul 5, 2011 6:46am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Sep 14, 2010 12:48am
seanli
Regarding the slimming product....AAaaaaa!!
When a product works, THAT person still eats and grow therefore, she still needs to continuously keep in shape/such as applying the product!!
Common mistakes, diet/gym/slimming products for few months- successfully drop into desired shape/weight - then STOP diet/gym/slimming products.
Everyday u eat, everyday u grow, everyday u consume fat/cholesterol/etc, everyday u POOP, everyday u take care of your body-either gym, diet, slimming product etc.
Sorry for sounding like screaming.
Sep 30, 2010 11:44pm
cosway_owner
Hello everyone,
I am an ecosway store owner, and I make good money.
I always respect other people's opinion.
What tickles me is that everyone seems to justify their own opinion with whatever lack of info or knowledge or maybe over info and over knowledge.
Let me tell you.
ecosway store is real and definately not a scam, otherwise so many countries will not approve its operation, especially in USA.
Every company is this world will have their own range of products, some are good and some are bad, some will work on certain people and some will not work. buy what you feel is usefull to your own need.Dont buy it if it is useless.
I dont care if anyone believe otherwise because you can have your own opinion.
For those who think it is a scam and cant make money have it your way, we dont need to convince you otherwise.
but for those that think and analyse properly the concept, you are welcome to contact me and I will assist you to open a store to my best ability without any promise, because the approval lies with the company, not with me.
Positive mind attracts positive attributes.
Negative mind attracts negative attributes.
Money dont drop from the sky,and money is not free.
You have to work for it, and ecosway is a vehicle that will make you rich if you work hard for it, much richer than an employee.
Thanks... and I will not reply to any comments
My time is better spent on making my money in ecosway.
If you are keen to know more, let me have your contact and I will get back to you. I dont want to be sparmed unnecessary by leaving my email here.
Thanks and have a good day everyone
Love and regards to all
Jul 5, 2011 6:46am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven
Oct 5, 2010 4:32pm
truth
If you look at how ecosway landed in U.S., you will be thrilled.
- < 300 products
- no follow-up(mail or emails)after signing up for 2 months.
- only things they care is that you help them sign up bunches of BOs and buy $1000 products.
- most of the products are made in Malaysia or Thailand
- change you login id without letting you know(how professional and good customer service)
- you talked to their folks in LA and the folks from different departments have total different mentality in terms of their business. Sale folks care only about B.O. sign-up while inventory folks quoted directly from the preach from the website.
- didn't spend a dim to explain why their products are inexpensive and of good quality(do some homework and shows us comparable products that has similar ingredients, but 30% cheap)
- no one was able to explain clearly why it is sustainable for the company to keep paying B.O. money in the hierachy of branches

So, my conclusion: -
1. It's a scheme that provides the company a skeleton of stores through which B.O.s come and go. Remember they want you to be a store owner only after you find them a considerable number of B.O.s who buy stuffs(at least initially)
2. looking at the initial set of products, they give me an impression of "low cost" and god-know-what quality; this fits perfect their model mentioned in #1
3. after talking to friends of a friend of mine who actually are currently operating stores in Malaysia, my conclusion is reasonable. In fact, the bubble in Malysis has already bursted, meaning there are too many stores but not enough business. B.O.s who cannot make the quota has to leave while there are always people who want to make quick & big money who would take over(after convincing their friends and families to buy bulks of stuffs).

No that I don't want to make money, but this cosway guy from Malaysia is even much greedier than other MLM scheme - attractive income claims so that B.O.s buy thousands of dollars of goods from ecoway, not even knowing the quality.

Basically they haven't been able to earn my trust.
Oct 5, 2010 4:39pm
truth
one more important point.
- this company is definitely taking advantage of the current global economic conditions - there are a lot of desperate people who want to make money after they are laid off or get rich.
Nov 1, 2010 1:37am
dadaludy
The first eCosway store in the USA - 1019 S. Baldwin Avenue, Arcadia, CA. There are 4 stores open as of now and more to open. It's a team effort. here's the picture...

[IMG]http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/daludz/ecosway%20proposed%20store%20location/033.jpg[/IMG]
Nov 1, 2010 1:38am
dadaludy
Ops let me do it again...

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q206/daludz/ecosway%20proposed%20store%20location/033.jpg
Nov 25, 2010 3:40am
Observer
No, eCosway is definitely NOT a scam. But typically like all MLMs, some make it and a greater majority don't. Those in this game are up beat and often defensive to criticism. Comments by Vincent Tan and Truth are fair and objective. To make big bucks, you need to network ie recruit new members to take up the 1000 ev sets (approx RM4000), not sell products. While the Business Plan is legit, there is a lack of info regarding the qualification for a store. eCosway should be more transparent and publish on their web site the following: 1)Business Owners with the highest number of new sign ups of BOs with 1000 ev sets stand a better chance than those who pass their test or interview with flying colours. 2)There is no free lunch after getting the "free store". There is a monthly sales target of 20 times rental (which excludes the sale of redemption items) and membership recruitment target of 100 VIPs per month. Stockists who don't meet the targets will be replaced. So for those who want to be a millionaire, make sure you have the network to support you. Otherwise you may end up like some who have left a good paying job , tired and disillusioned.
Observer
Jul 5, 2011 6:49am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven

IF its not a scam, please either return my $ since new BO only need to buy 500eV worth of products to get 3 profit centres, or automatically "upgrade" my status! Are you WILLING TO take up this challenge on behalf of a lot of VERY ANGRY BOs
Nov 29, 2010 9:43pm
kcling
This articles have really make most of people confused about eCosway.

I`m a power leader of eCosway.I must make clear about ecosway,what is ecosway?

First: It is not MLM (multi level Marketing)
-eCosway using strategy called (mutual level marketing) <-its different with MLM( u can see my articles(Mutual Marketing Is Better Than MLM And Hows Its Work) on the top 3 rangking by type mutual level marketing. Inside have detail about what is mutual level marketing) one of the different is ecosway dun have "break away" system, which mean unlimited profits.

2.It is not necessary to take 1,000ev packets(appro RM4000), you can start with RM880.All are qualify to get the shop.The different is only the commision received in the future.Why i say so? Here is the video about the different and also the business concept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Q04dA0tFg

3.Business Owners with the highest number of new sign ups of BOs with 1000 ev sets stand a better chance than those who pass their test or interview with flying colours.
NOT CORRECT. As long as you are active in recruiting is enough.Study the product materials and also improving selling skills.

4.There is no free lunch after getting the "free store".
Yes, you have to work hard to get the "free stores". I means is you have to study products material and also active in recruiting. Lets take a examples, you got a PDI card, jusco card, bonuslink etc. Thats same with ecosway, you get VIP shopper, finding interest business owner to get the shop. Help them to get financial freedom and guide them to get their own business. Working with people is never be rich.Honestly.

5.There is a monthly sales target of 20 times rental (which excludes the sale of redemption items) and membership recruitment target of 100 VIPs per month.
Its is only a guidelines.eCosway will never closing a shop by investing RM50k-RM100K to set up the shop and close down.

6.Stockists who don't meet the targets will be replaced.
Will not. But you can transfer the shops to your business owner next times.Noted- There is no break away in eCosway.Your business owner earned more you also earned more.

7. So for those who want to be a millionaire, make sure you have the network to support you. Otherwise you may end up like some who have left a good paying job , tired and disillusioned.
Definety not.
Retail profit percentage + ev incomes= retail profit incomes.

1) RETAIL SHOP INCOME (assume RM 120,000 sales per month)
First RM60,000 = Profit RM5,000.00 nett
Bal RM60,000 x5% = Profit RM3000

*This rate apply to both Supermarket & Retail Shop

2) eV : e Volume Income (sample calculation base on 10,000 eV)
Owner earn about RM 6,800
Sample calculation of Retail Shop Profit Earning
Scenario : Assumption of RM 120,000 gross sales / month
Monthly Gross Sales RM 60,000 = RM 5,000 nett
Balance Gross Sales RM 60,000x5% = RM 3,000
Monthly eV of 10,000 = RM 6,800
Total=RM14,800


Average ecosway shop will generate 20,000ev per months,i just take 10,000 ev as examples.

You word hard for 1-2 years and you can rest for your rest of the life. 2 years workind hard or you want to worked with others until retired? With our guides you will surely success.

You can search at google with keyword "ecosway",our website(http://www.globalfranchise.ws) is rangking top page 1 in the google search,we will you build your network as well to benefit you/teammember

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Jul 5, 2011 6:53am
fxeasy
Recently there was a new profit plan unveiled by Al Chuah, the "father" (CEO) of eCosway. I am new BO just joined on 24/May/2011. Here are a few points to PROVE that eCosway is a scumbag, SCAM, lizard, x&%#$^ company

Previously under the "old" plan, I bought 1000eV worth of products (about SGD3000) which entitled me to unlimited BO and 2 add'l profit centres (including your own thus 3 profit centres-or 3p.c.s)

Under the new plan, I had to "top up" another 50eV to entitle the same thing!!! The eV of my BO is a moving target. So next year eCosway do another Monkey God's act (in the Chinese Legend, The Monkey God has 81 types of tricks) and thus existing BOs again "scrambled" to "fulfil" extra eV so that to be entitled to SAME THING???!!!

Under the new plan effective 1/Aug/2011, a new BO had to buy only 1000 eV worth of products and is entitled to 7 p.c.s. Huh??? DID I just dropped my contact lenses somewhere? Why IS IT that a new BO just signed up from 1/Aug buying same eV worth of products can be entitled to 7 p.c.s. and I had to "fulfil" another 50eV worth of products to "qualify" for status quo?

To add insults to injury, if I wanted to have 7 p.c.s. eCosway need me to "fulfil" buying another 200eV worth of products which by the way is about SGD600-700. So by buying 200eV, my 1000eV worth of BO is now effectively 1,200 eV. If you still had math problems, please re-read the above and SEE clearly and UNDERSTAND perfectly that I said, under the new profit plan eff 1/Aug, new BO buys 1,000eV worth of products and auto entitled to 7 p.c.s

Further to this, if you are still reading, under the new profit plan (eff 1/Aug), new BO who bought 500eV worth of products (abt SGD1,500) is entitled to 3 p.c.s. Huh??? I already paid SGD3000, BUT now I had to buy another 50eV worth of products (abt SGD150) to entitle same thing???

Another point I want to make LOUD and CLEAR. During the sales presentation or opp (biz opportunity as eCosway terms it), there was no CLEAR understand of how many BOs or VIPs we need to "fulfil". Now my upline informed the team that if you can get 100 VIPs, your application will be approved immediately. So How to go abt getting 100 VIPs? ALL those whol kept singing abt eCosway, YOU can tell me how many % of BOs can get 100 VIPs and in WHAT TIME frame???

And to those eCosway BO, I welcome you to contact me and explain to me how it would BENEFIT me to buy another 50eV worth of products to maintain status quo or 200eV worth of products to get 7 p.c.s

Do NOTE that I did read that BOs who joined in Jun/Jul and fulfil 1000eV will get automatically converted. NOW come the clincher. If I joined 24/May but over the 1mth period given I bought 200eV worth of products until I fulfilled the 1000eV. This meant that from 24/May to 23/Jun (inclusive) I did buy 1000eV worth of products, and did get the entitlement of 2 add'l p.c.s. If this was the case, then my total 1000eV was only fulfilled in Jun, but initial join date was May, thus I may not be entitled to have the 3 p.c.s.

BTW if I did not buy the extra 50eV worth of products by 31/Aug/2011, I will forfeit the entitlement to have ANY PROFITS! NOT EVEN reverting my status to old plan scheme. Even if eCosway will to revert my scheme back to old profit plan, it is fair for me to miss the greater profits sharing and have to ACTUALLY buy another 200eV to be on par as a new BO who joined eff 1/Aug???

So every year, eCosway will then have another Monkey God moment (changes to profit plan) and literally PROFIT from BOs who are serious in doing this business. The Chinese saying "The wool comes from the goat" and all eCosway BOs are like goats made for this slaughter. They can ALWAYS come up with a "better" profit plan to ensure THEIR own PROFITS from our sweat and blood

FYI, there is a BO who had a shop with abt 400 employees. In order to "impress" the top eCosway people such that she can get approval for her shop, she deducted SGD15 from her employees salary to literally force them be her VIPs. If she had paid for these, then I can forgive her, cos she is trying hard to get a shop. But she deducted salary from her employees???!! (What a class A BITCH). I told my friends that I will purposely walk over her shop and go shop somewhere else

PS: Pls read my post above to STeven

Sure Mike, I am now very confused why all of a sudden if I don't in reality buy another 50eV, I wont be entitled to any more profits. BTW I am even more confused and deranged to realise that I have buy another 200eV worth of products to "qualify" for 7 profit centres, but that BO who signed in Jun/Jul and bought 1,000eV worth of products can get automatic conversion. It is almost guarantee formula to send everybody to mental hospitals realising that eCosway can keep up this profit plan changes like unlimted times? Maybe every year?
Nov 30, 2010 9:42am
MPuru
Ecosway just opened its 1st store in Manukau City New Zealand 5 days ago. I've only heard about this company less than 2 weeks ago and now im a Independant Business operator and I'm loving it. The Lucky Free shop operators of this store who I also just meet 2 weeks ago are my team leaders (lucky me) so I get to spend some of my days working in this free shop (by my own choice) with the operators. Yes wage Free!!! Why? Because I get to learn about our product range and best of all, when non members shop in our store and I'm serving them and they decide to become VIP customers...guess who gets to have them in her business? ME !!! How awesome is that!! Ecosway not only provides people with the opportunity to run shops (for those who want 2) but they created a system where the rest of us who may not be soooo good at talking to people can learn and build their business in the shops.
I look at all the other retail outlets next to us; come closing time; most of the employee's cant wait to get out of there shop's. In our shop we are pretty much the last one's to leave and we are never in a rush to go..Why..cause it's our shop, not just our team leaders store.
If there is any scams around...Owning a traditional business is the BIGGEST SCAM around!!...Not only do you have to put a huge capital outlay down and then run it pretty much yourself, including marketing, selling, do your book's etc....then there really is no garantee that your business will succeed...80% of new businesses fail in their first 5years...and when they do; someone usually losses their home or somethg....i know which one I will choose. if you keen on business in NZ and beyond, email me. algudsolutions@gmail.com
Dec 1, 2010 1:32am
jackylew
From most of the comments I have read, well..for sceptics, you can continue to be sceptical, for ecosway BOs out there..kudos..
There are more than 1,600 stores worldwide..hmm.. a scam?? Ecosway promotions of Buy4free2 or Buy6free4..not attractive..unless u dont use that product..Free store a scam?? Well..try go start a biz in Australia with your own shop, you have to pay 1 year rental in advance..good luck..Starbuck franchise is RM1,000,000, 7-11 in Malaysia is RM800,000. Ecosway franchise??-just waterbill,phonebill,staff(if u want to hire). As for stocks..good luck in writing your cheque books to pay for stocks you havent even sell. Ecosway stocks??0 money, its all consigned..
Cheers all
Dec 3, 2010 11:22pm
jwfung
ecosway is not a scam.I have been a member for 30 years (Mcosway and listed in Malaysia then) admittedly ecosway came in only recently with chain-stors concept.(listed in Hong Kong now with the aim to venture into china market). Retireyoung may now need to spend 10 years to visit all the 1000s ecosway stores round the world, I am not sure the round can ever be completed when ecosway stores start in China (scheduled to start early 2011). Not much you can understand as a non member. Let me do you a favor, any reader my use my ecosway membership password to log in to ecosway to understand more in details. My ecosway membership number is: my249210 password:kingdom1 You may even have the liberty and permission to use my membership number as your sponsor to register as a member on line and begin your business under ecosway in Malaysia, singapore, thailand, indonesia, australia, japan, new zealand, taiwan, china, hong kong etc etc
write to me abangtomtom@yahoo.com if you want to know more about ecosway. Retireyoung has some facts correct but mostly wrong and misleading.
Dec 4, 2010 12:04am
jwfung
with in 30 minutes of my last comment there were few serious enquiries sent to my email directly. I have sent my replies and they were roughly:1.yes you can register as a member on line. 2.You can become a BO ie business owner under ecosway just by registering and pay the prescribed fee as stated.thereafter you can develop your net working by Mutual Marketing and apply to open a Free shop if you can meet with the criteria as specified. 3. yes, every new member need a sponsor to join the company, you may use my membership as sponsor in your application. 4. you can expand the ecosway business to anywhere in the world where ecosway has already launched officially. 4. Next newest and biggest market ecosway to launch its business is China.
Dec 6, 2010 1:16pm
obione
Have seen all the pros and con arguments, but its a fact whatever you want to call it, MLM or Pyramid scheme et al!..those that are users would most
likely be the pros, and the honest ones would end up dissappointed...
In a scheme like this, you got to have a thick skin to be able to do it..
but the bait is the "free" shop and the "consignment" of the products..and
mostly the lower echelon of the society with their dreams of grandeur and get-rich-quick schemes..but at the end of the day, only those on the initial startup group will be the ones making the money, and 99% of the
"sheep" will be made to work hard for nothing..Only people with contempt
with the ability of using other people with bait can survive in this system. It is not a system of selling products with merits, but a system to
utilize your contacts to flog items to them. There are lots of casualties along the way..and always a dead end at least to the 97%of the sheep..
Its better for individuals to buy one, then sell for a hefty margin,
rather than work hard for others who cream off you without sharing any sweat!..In developed countries, there are rules for MLM..unlike asian countries that are raft with corruption.
Dec 7, 2010 1:46am
indoshopper
I visited an ecosway store and the staff was putting products onto the shelf during the middle of the day and there were boxes everywhere making it difficult to walk around. One side of the shop had cleaning products and the other was skin and hygiene type products. I thought it would be better for them as a business to concentrate on one line of products like skin and health products. It's not like you go into a store to buy floor cleaner and cream for your skin :)

@MPuru I find it interesting that you would work in the store for free. I would have thought a country like New Zealand would have some kind of labor laws which set a minimum wage? Do you think people who go shopping in the store want to feel pressured into joining the company? That kind of experience would make me not want to return to the store. It seems like the stores are just fronts for getting people to join the network, rather than places people would just go to shop at their own leisure.

I give credit to ecosway how they market their business. When you join, you are not a member but a "business owner". It makes people feel that they own something more than a bag of cleaning products. The lure of "owning" your own store seems to the motivation for many to join. Even if you get your own store, you still don't own anything. For example, does ecosway put the lease of the store in your own name? It is very clear that even if you get your own store you can be replaced at anytime. So what do you really end up "owning"?

I don't think that you can compare ecosway to having your own Starbucks or 7-11 franchise. If you buy a Starbucks franchise, you will own the franchise. It is a tangible asset. As a "business owner" what assets will you own in the company? Do they give you shares in the company?
Jan 2, 2011 11:09pm
inamericafornow
For all of you out there who are against MLM's, have you ever owned a read "brick and mortal" business? I own one of those.
1st you have to have huge amounts of money to get started. I started with $50,000 vs. $90 for my MLM.
2nd, I had to sign a 5 year lease and pay thousand of dollars rent per month. My five year lease will cost me almost 1/2 million dollars whether I make money or not. If I don't, I'll have to go bankrupt and I will not be able to get a loan for at least 10 years to start another business. With MLMs, if you fail, you can always start another one.
3rd. Even though I rent, I'm still resposible for fixing anything that breaks down. I had to replace a water heater shortly after I opened my business and then the AC unit a couple of years later for a few thousand dollars. Even though I bought the AC unit, when my lease is up, I cannot to take the AC unit with me!!! The owner of the building will keep it and will use it for another 10-15 years or so. (how is that not a scam??)
4th. To help out paying for the expenses of my "brick and mortar" business run a couple of MLM's. I just put in the profits from one of my MLM's into the bank to pay the bills of my "brick and mortar".
5th. I have to figure out what to buy, where to buy it, where to advertise it, how to advertise it, higher and fire employees, go to work even when I'm sick or tired etc.

With MLM's you can get started for about $100 and buy as much or as little inventory as you want. My upline in one of my MLM's never purchased any products. She just sent the customers to the website to order.
I think with a well established MLM, if you work hard you will probably make money. (With "brick and mortar" it's not guaranteed either.) If you don't, most likely you won't loose as much as you would in a "brick and mortar".
I'm not in any way associated with eCosway. I was just cheking it out, because my friend recomended it.
Jan 20, 2011 6:16am
CupcakeSky
I know there is anough criticism on this articl but I'd like to emphasis on some points other people missed out on explaining.
Thinking about it, would you call Tattslotto or any lotto games scams? Sure, you have to pay to submit an entry and you MAY or MAY NOT win. And, you'll never know how much you win. BUT if you're smart/persistent, you'd be able to work out what to do in order to win big cash.

This investment may be a little unstable but if you have the businessman quality, you'll be able to establish a powerful network. Afterall, you NEED this quality in order to succeed in any business.

And please, 'retireyoung', if EVERY BO is able to have a shop of their own, is that even possible, let alone every second BO? We have billions and gazillions of people on this Earth, that'd be just kill us all. The point is, we have a group of BOs working in a store. Even if one BO takes one store, howis that person going to manage without support? Obviously, not everyone will qualify. But shops are more common than you think. We have more than 22 stores in Australia. 7 stores in Victoria. I am working in the newest store.

This company can't just give you a free store if you can't sell their products. Seriously, what do you expect? You want to be employed as a doctor if you've only done a hairdresser course? You need to understand what WE sell, what OUR company is about and do your own research about the responsibilities expected of you and what the company NEEDS. YOU don't want to be scammed, what about the company? eCosway isn't a money making machine that can pop out millions to rent and sign a contract IMMEDIATELY just because ONE person expresses interest. They need to see if you qualify.

Just like how you may qualify to be a teacher, or any profession, even business, you need to study and earn some creditation in order to be worthy of a FREE shop. And in this case, you need to prove that you are capable of making use of your charisma, qualities, confidence in order to attract new faithful customers.

As mentioned, ompared to other franchise stores, this is a little less stressy and to these franchisors, they may think this is a better choice. Certainly, nothing is right for EVERYONE but this is a pathway for certain people. It depends on what you want and need from life, really.

I must say, I think our products are excellent and genuine. Customers come back to comment on how effective things are.

If you think you have what it takes to find out more about eCosway and you live in Melbourne (around Ringwood-Wantirna-Knox-Croydon area), perhaps you could use some friendly guidance: ness.kiemo@hotmail.com

AU122287

So far so good, we have about 300 happy members in our 2 months old store!
Apr 3, 2011 5:05am
Empowered
SG013628
I have read the positive and negative comments of eCosway and I can understand why BOs of eCosway are defensive of their business and rightly so!

eCosway is not a scam like most believe nor is it a pyramid scheme. There will always be negative people trying to discourage and sabotage others efforts.

To put it simply:
Positive attracts positive
Negative attracts negative

Where do you want to be?

Like all businesses, it takes a lot of effort and hardwork to get to where you want to be and eCosway is no exception.

eCosway business concepts have been clearly articulated in this forum so I won't go into it again. Question is, where else on earth will you find such an altrustic company to give you a free franchise? Our store in Singapore is less than a year old and we have had no problem in meeting the month's quota. Passion and working the business is the only way to go!

Interested business partners are encouraged to email me at ascendedcell@gmail.com and I will be happy to meet you in our shop to answer all your questions. Negative responses will be spammed as I will be busy in our shop. Thank you.
Jun 19, 2011 7:50am
mattc1103
Jun 19, 2011 4:45pm
Truewinner
Hello All, I have been reading your post. Everyone have their own opinion, however, in life, guys, if you want to change your life, if you are sick and tire of being sick and tire of being broke, then, it start from you, you know what you want. if you are a negative people all the time, you will get negative thing stick with you. what do you get from being negative toward other company. you get nothing, this is the world of free enterprise. go and take action, I believe that we can achieve anything in life if we really want to. but if we just look for a way to complain, then it is worthless to be in this earth. go out there and do what you want but stop talk bad thing about others, nobody is perfect. If we are so smart, then we probably wealthy already. the reason we are broke beause we always negative, we always trying to find a perfect company, but there will be no perfect company out there. If you like what you do, keep on doing becausse the end of the day, Mr. Bills will knock on your door and ask for their money. REMEMBER, Loser always find the way to lose. Winner, will find a way to be winn.
I am a new IBO with Ecosway, I am looking forward to do good thing in the company. Yes, there is no free lunch and we got to work hard to earn it.
Thanks for all and stop Complain, it does help you by just to sit and complain. Your family are counting on you everyday.
Jun 19, 2011 4:48pm
Truewinner
Sorry, it doesn't help you by just sit down and complain. Your family are counting on every day.
Jul 26, 2011 4:50am
ioriasuka
To be honest, it just don't add up, there revenue was 200million pound last year including everything and there are 2000 stores, assuming all the revenue comes from shop sells (unlikely since a lot of the sales comes from internet) that works out to be 100000 pound per store. Even though the store setup itself is free, they takes 92% of the sales as rent which leave you with 8000 pound a year maximum before tax(not a great deal for 7 day a week job, they have effectively got labour for free).
Then they tell me you don't actually make money from stores sale, you get more from networking which is also quite dodgy. they offer a maximum of 15% of purchase from downline as cut back for BOs (a lot of products don't offer any cut if they are discount product). Assume no one ever buy any discount product, 15% of their revenue gives 30million pound which is the max pot to be splitted by all the BOs around world. Since there are 2000 stores that requires a minimum of 1 operator and 2 coordinator to run, there are already at least 6000 BOs around world (already have a store, probably many more without) there is a max of 5000 pound available per year per person which really aren't much consider they are saying some BOs makes millions every year (means 99% makes nothing but buying thousans of pounds worth of household product a year when there are better brands like unilever around)
Sep 29, 2011 2:10am
ozcourse
Dear Retireyoung,
I am BO in Australia, I heard a rumor about the shop owner cancelling other people invoices and change it to their own VIP to get the EV and Direct Profits. Is that true? How we are going to know if they have done so. We got so many VIP and Can't keep track who buy what.
Feb 14, 2012 4:31am
hcfoo
I would suggest you to probably raise your concern here: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/eCoswayMutualMarketers/
Feb 21, 2012 3:42am
barrelpages
I am not a ecosway owner or anything but i just want to point out a few misinformation to retireyoung. i am in U.S. it's not true that there are no ecosway stores. they are there at least in U.S. in my neighborhood and they are very clean and decent looking store.

here is the link for all the stores in state of California in the U.S.

http://www.ecosway.com/usstore/us/BusinessTemplateFile_us.jsp?fl=store_list

it lists all the store locations and business hours.

in this day of internet age, you can't hide from anything and certainly not ecosway either.

just go to google map and type in the store address and you will see actual stores (not just map of the locations).

i hope this post will clear up some of your misunderstanding.
Feb 21, 2012 4:05am
barrelpages
by the way, ANY business owner - not just ecosway - will tell you that he or she has to work more than 12 hours a day and 7 days a week. obviously you haven't own a business before. you can't just open your business whenever you feel like it and work only as much hours as you feel like it.

also, the deposit part...just do some research on how much it costs to own a 7-Eleven store which is a mere convenient store in your neighborhood.

do you have to sign a contract? you bet...not only you sign a contract you have to meet or exceed their sales quota too.

i am being objective here. not to criticize anyone.

whether or not the commission structure is fair or not, or whether you can make profit or not...that's another story.

final point...you said that only very few ended up owning a shop. And that'
s the way it should be.

imagine you are the CEO of McDonald's, would you give stores to anyone who apply? think again. they won't even look at your application if you can't proof to them that you are worthy of running a business.
Mar 3, 2012 5:03pm
Ecosway_victim_au
After joining ecosway as a BO for over 3 years, I would like to WARN others if you are thinking about joining ecosway as a free-shop owner, BO or VIP shopping.

1. Double standards in business practice.
Type “ecosway” or any ecosway product (e.g bioglo goats milk) in Google search, and you will find millions of BO’s are selling them online.

HOWEVER, DON’T DO ONLINE SELLING OR YOU WILL BE ORDERRED TO SHUT DOWN (When you grow bigger). Verify this by sending your query to: compliance@ecosway.com

Most of those BO’s are prompting ecosway at their own costs with NO COMMERCIAL BENEFITS WHAT SO EVER. If they are starting to make money, they will be order to shut down their online business!
2. DON’T SEND your leads to your ecosway website link.
Most of buyer are doing “SHOPPING” online which means they would check things out at first and might return later to “MAKE A PURCHASE”.
But you won’t get the sale! Ecosway website does NOT have COOKIE UNABLE so this means when your customer returns to ecosaway, THEY WILL BUY FROM ANY ECOSWAY BO BUT NOT YOU!
Most of you are dong “ONLINE MAREKTING” for ecosway at your own cost (of time or money)!
3. The fact: 99.6% of ecosway operator will become inactive with in 1 or 2 years
This including the free-shop owners and BO’s that I personally know in the past 3 years. Because the truth is, ecosway has no intention to let you make money what so ever. They just want you to get them a few people that you know as a form of “word of mouth” marketing. They get your “friends” and “relatives” for free and it costs you at least the BO registration fee or VIP fee to do so. What a rip of! But sadly, millions of people are doing it every day.
Verify this by sending an email to your local ecosway head office and ask them:
HOW MUCH MONEY CAN A SHOP OWNER OR BO make by spending 8 hours a day on the ecosway business?
Their answer: THEY CAN’T TELL YOU!
WATCH OUT AND DON’T GET RIP OFF LIKE ME!
Jun 26, 2012 11:25pm
true_believer
Wow. I didn't know anything about the existence of such company with a name of e-Cosway until a friend of mine showed me the other day when he returned from his trip to California, US, where he has visited an e-Cosway store in person. He was excited to sign up to be the newest BO from e-Cosway and asked me to join. I was skeptical and before becoming the next BO or... else, I did some research on Google and not for long, I found this website. My oh my...

I have read almost all comments from all of you here and I found one thing pretty amusing. All of those (or almost all) who have been BOs (or VIP shoppers) of e-Cosway, you guys shared one similar thing: you're pretty defensive of e-Cosway and you all are willing to help others to become BO as well, even though you might never see or know that person!!!

One person raised a very good point. If giant retailers like Wal-mart and Target don't carry the products e-Cosway does, where and how on earth can e-Cosway find those products? Matt Chan left a profound analysis that I found very convincing about this MLM Network Marketing. There's an age-old saying that's still valid these days: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

I know that e-Cosway is making its way to the USA. I also know that there are many gullible people in the US as well. One of the biggest misconceptions in multi-level marketing is that if there is a product involved it isn't a pyramid scheme. I truly wish there was a way to get people to understand how false this is. If you have time, just go to the FTC website, you find the following quotes warning about the pyramid scheme. For those who are not aware, pyramid schemes are illegal in the US.

"Pyramid schemes now come in so many forms that they may be difficult to recognize immediately. However, they all share one overriding characteristic. They promise consumers or investors large profits based primarily on recruiting others to join their program, not based on profits from any real investment or real sale of goods to the public. Some schemes may purport to sell a product, but they often simply use the product to hide their pyramid structure."
Link: http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm

"Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. Some are pyramid schemes. It's best not to get involved in plans where the money you make is based primarily on the number of distributors you recruit and your sales to them, rather than on your sales to people outside the plan who intend to use the products."
Link: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/inv08-bottom-line-about-multi-level-marketing-plans

I'd like to quote Matt Chan in his analysis: "Wake up people."
Jul 27, 2012 8:22pm
dbae
I agree. BUT this is not a pyramid scheme. This is a network marketing business with no quotas that you are forced to meet. You can treat this business how you want it. Part time, full time, or free store, that is up to you.

I would be skeptical, but after I used some of their products and seeing my health change before my eyes, I am a true believer. These products are real. No more pharmaceutical intervention. It should be nutritional prevention. Give your body the nutrients it needs. Instead of drugs that temporary relieve your symptoms and give you more side effects.
Jul 28, 2012 8:56pm
true_believer
"... after I used some of their products and seeing my health change before my eyes, I am a true believer. These products are real..."

Would you care to elaborate more on what products that changed your health and how they did?
Jul 29, 2012 8:52pm
dbae
Yeah of course!

One product in particular that I was able to experience right away was their D'tox Trimm. This product comes in pill form made up of fermented fruits and vegetables and it helps your body get rid of toxins. Everyone is exposed to toxins from their daily diet, pollution, alocohol, and tobacco if you smoke. IF you ever feel like you need to detox your body of toxins, I highly recommend this product. I took 2 pills and my bowel movement the next morning was shocking... I never knew I had so much unnecessary toxins in my body...and right away I felt refreshed and rejuvenated.

Another supplement I take is Ecosway's Resvera Mix which uses grape extract and various berries to help you enjoy the benefits of 100 glasses of wine without the alcohol. Amazing product that promotes longetivity and radiant skin and boosts your natural immune functions.

I get a cold every winter, but after taking Ecosway's products, I was in perfect health this season. A lot of these products are different because they have patent pending formulas that make the product more bio-available so your body absorbs the nutrients right away. Also, these products come from all around the world. The BEST from Switzerland, Germany, Canada, Australia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia and so on...

Also, if you drive a lot, there's a product called Ecomax Fuel Enhancer. All you do is add 1 ml for every 2 gallons of gas for your car and it will give you more mileage, increase engine power, reduce harmful emissions, and protect the environment. This product has been recognized by the UN and tested and proven by many trucking companies. I use this every time I fill up my tank and I've been getting more mileage ever since. And my engine even sounds different and feels more powerful.

I can go on and on about their amazing skin product lines and even their cleaning products which is derived from plant based oils with NO harmful chemicals.

I can write about these products all day, but you need to try it yourself and really see for yourself. The comments above go back and forth arguing if this is a scam or not. But hey... forget about the business. TRY the product. This company uses word of mouth instead of media advertisement so it will be hard to find reviews and other sources to confirm, but if you have an open mind to give it a shot, please do.
Jul 27, 2012 8:13pm
dbae
Hello everyone! I'm from the United States and we are about to open up a store in Fairfax, Virginia. The first store in this state. We are very excited!

Just wanted to say if you have doubts about the product, try it yourself and see it with your own eyes before passing judgement.
Also for a BO... if you treat it like your own business, it will pay you like a business. With any good businesses, you need to invest time and money. You cannot go into this thinking short term. The goal is to reach the point where you are getting passive residual income for life. Also, the company encourages you to leave the store after 3-5 years because at that point, you should have a huge network and by passing the store to someone else, it will allow other BOs to grow their network. This is a team business and you will never succeed if you see this as competition and keep score. This isn't a scheme or a scam. The reason you are encouraged to purchase a certain EV is to make sure you buy the products to USE and TELL others about them. How can you sell this business without trying your own products??? The EV requirement is simply to make sure you know the products and benefits.

Also, many of you mentioned why Walmart and Target don't carry these products. Its because Walmart outsources their work to low-wage factories overseas and brings in cheap pants from Bangladesh, cheap shirts from China, cheap food from Mexico, etc. Workers who produce these things are paid next to nothing. SO as you all know it is destroying our economy.

Ecosway on the other hand buy in bulk and private labels their products to help customers save money. It is the ONLY retail store in the world that pays its customers who introduce others. It give back to the community and at the same time offers competitive high quality products.

The products will sell itself... All you have to do is simply try.
There is no other company in the world that will keep you healthy, pay you, and give you a store ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

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