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By Hosting Our Content Paul Edmondson

You Opted-In to Our Eight Writers' Conditions

Ben, Seth, and Paul E. discuss the writers contract (Cartoon)
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel (formerly sousababy on Squidoo) / All rights reserved

Are You Sick of

the Rules Changing?

For every former Squidoo author who is now on HubPages, this article is for you.

It's time we wrote our own contract and held site owners accountable to the terms of using our content.

You will find that this contract parallels the ever-changing rules that both Squidoo and HubPages have come up with to profit from not only our work, but our identity and our user information.

So grab your calculator; you'll want to add up the monies you are owed.

You Cannot Sell What You Don't Own

From Squidoo's Terms of Service:

The Content (We OWN it, not Seth Godin)
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel (formerly sousababy on Squidoo)

Remember This Mr. Godin?

Squidoo Privacy Policy
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel (formerly sousababy on Squidoo)
Squidoo is Now Part of HubPages
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel (formerly sousababy on Squidoo)

But Squidoo is Now HubPages

That could mean HubPages is on the hook for our monetary losses (although I could be wrong). Paul, you might want to ask Seth for your money back.

Unfortunately for Paul Edmondson, the laws of California are fairly strict. As pointed out in my Satirical Examination of HubPages:

"It was illegal for Paul Edmondson et al. to buy user information and content from anyone other than the content owners/authors. And it is also illegal to receive, conceal, sell, or withhold any property (content) that he knows has been stolen.

What's more, to turn a profit from this content is an even more punishable offence."

Paul Edmondson made a bad decision (and an illegal one) to pay Seth Godin for our user information and content. The money he paid belongs to us, the writers - not Seth Godin.

Seth Godin Sold Our Work

Condition No. 1

Whatever monies Seth Godin et al. collected for our user information and content, we are owed.

As writers formerly on Squidoo, we demand that you fully disclose the full sum of money you collected for our identity, our user information, and our work - publicly.

We then need to determine, as a collective group of writers, how to divide this sum among us.

You owe us this money, Mr. Seth Godin. You cannot sell what you don't own - and you never owned our identities, user information, or our content.

Ever hear of permission marketing?

Selling a Domain

Doesn't Include Authors' Work & User Information

For Sale By Owner
Credit: Images_of_Money (TaxRebate.org.uk on flickr) / Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic

Reimbursement for Our User Information

Condition no. 2

Every writer (once on Squidoo) who did not voluntarily provide HubPages with their email address and use of their avatar (identity) needs to be compensated.

"You can't buy or sell someone else's permission. Buying lists is bad. Don't do it." ~ John Caldwell

According to Email Marketing Reports, the average price for using (aka renting) an opt-in email list is between $100 and $300 for every thousand addresses. And - get this - that is for a ONE time use of an email (not for multiple emails to the same address).[1]

How many former Squidoo authors were sent an email from HubPages? And how many times has HubPages emailed each one of us in total?

Hmm. I think we are all owed about 30 cents per email from Hubpages.

Our avatars? What do you think we are owed for use of our identity? Not everyone agrees with me, but I feel our avatar photos are an important part of our online persona. Our photo represents our brand.

I think we are owed about $100 each for use of our photos (unless HubPages first obtained your permission). No one asked for my permission. What about you?

HubPages Changed Your URLs?

Condition no. 3

While reporting HubPages to Pinterest for impersonating me and posting my content (without my permission), I discovered that two of my URLs had an additional -2 added to the end.

A different URL would have dire consequences for your present and future traffic. Therefore, I propose that a fee of $200 is owed for every URL that has been changed or altered in some way (unless of course, HubPages obtained your permission first to change your original URL).

Again, no one from HubPages asked me first.

I Have No Idea Why a "-2" is Added to URLs

(Made it Harder to Find My Original Archived Work)

HubPages added a "-2" to my URLs
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel / All rights reserved

Locked Out / Cannot Access Your Work?

Condition no. 4

From August 29th, 2014 until (at least) September 2nd, 2014 Squidoo made it impossible for authors to delete or edit any of their content. We were also unable to close our account for that time period.

But the disturbing fact was this: the buying public had full access to our work, saw the ads that Squidoo displayed on them, and were able to make purchases from our pages.

I feel it is more than fair to be compensated for those four days. How does $5 a day per article sound? Each article that you could not access would therefore be worth $20.

On a related note, since an author on HubPages (Aneegma) was locked out of her "edited" work for two weeks, it would be fair to apply the same fee structure (e.g 14 days x $5 = $70).

Attempt to Delete My Content & Account

Subject to URL Redirection?

Condition no. 5

For whatever reason, the importing of your work or some inclusion in an Editor's Choice program. If your URLs have been redirected and you feel you've lost some link juice, I think you are owed some compensation for your losses.

Let's say, for every redirect you are owed $50. I'll even add in this conditional clause: unless HubPages can prove that traffic and ranking increased as a result of the redirect.

Robin to Aneegma (Cartoon)
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

Your Squidoo Comments Used to Spam?

Condition no. 6

Apparently, former Squidoo authors who deleted their articles found their user information and profile had moved to HubPages anyways (without their permission).

What's more, every comment they ever made on Squidoo has now become associated with this spammy line: "Sign in or sign up and post using a HubPages account."

As stated in my Squidoo Authors Who Migrated to HubPages: Here Are Your Choices article:

"If you are trying to establish your own blog or online presence elsewhere, these spammy comment-related links compete with (and drown out) the links to your other online efforts."

For each one of these spammy lines associated with your former Squidoo-only comments, I feel you are entitled to $20.

TanoCalvenoa Never Joined HubPages

He deleted all of his lenses (articles) Aug. 20, 2014

TanoCalvenoa's Squidoo comments attached to HubPages spam
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel / All rights reserved

Work Edited Without Your Permission?

Condition no. 7

This is a biggy. Unless you are completely thrilled with having your work "edited" by HubPages so-called editors, then I'd say you are owed big time.

In the case of Aneegma, I feel $100 a month would be reasonable until she regains the traffic she lost (at the hands of someone else). If I recall correctly, she had about 500 visitors a day prior to having her work destroyed.

After 3 Unanswered Emails, HubPages

Just Goes Ahead and "Edits" Your Work?

Robin has work "edited" after 3 unanswered emails
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

Tax Info a Condition of Being Paid?

Condition no. 8

Not only is the legality of this questionable, but if you are being withheld your earnings from HubPages because you refuse to provide them with your tax information, that must be worth a lot of money.

Why? Because if someone obtained your Social Security Number (SSN), s/he could secure a job (using your identity) and the IRS would think you failed to claim all of your earnings. Another way a thief could use your SSN is to file a tax return (posing as you) in which case the IRS would assume you were already paid what the government still owes you.

Either way, it would be bad news for you.

And I don't care what the excuses are, there is no reason for HubPages to have your SSN, as I outlined in Is HubPages Catering to Scrapers and Identity Thieves?

What is your identity worth? I think it's priceless, but I leave it up to you to decide a monetary amount to cover any risk you've incurred by having to provide HubPages with your SSN in order to obtain your rightful earnings (past or present).

Paul E. talking to Scraper & ID Guy (Cartoon)
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel / All rights reserved
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Comments

Feb 17, 2015 9:42am
TanoCalvenoa
I love the response above by "calculus-geometry" to "Robin" with HubPages. This can apply to the entire Squidoo deal, in which they put up a big green button that they wanted Squidoo users to press, but then if it wasn't pressed they transferred everything anyway just the same - "No response doesn't mean 'yes.' "
Feb 17, 2015 3:25pm
RoseWrites
Yes, it's similar to negative billing - in which lawsuits have been successfully launched against.

No response doesn't imply consent. (Same with rape, BTW Paul).

It's ridiculous that HubPages has emailed me to: inform me my "lenses were imported"; about numerous "awards" I've won (don't know how, I've never joined the site) and "followers" on there. Yet NOT ONE person has emailed me about the money I am making for HubPages (which I wouldn't trust them to be honest about anyways).

It will probably take a lawsuit to see this get resolved.

Thanks so much for dropping by and commenting Jonathan, it means more than you know.
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Bibliography

  1. "Email address lists: buy or leave alone?." Email Marketing Reports. 16/02/2015 <Web >

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