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Paul Edmondson: Ban Sousababy From HubPages

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"Sir, I say that justice is truth in action." ~

Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield (1804 - 1881)

April 7 My Identity, Profile and 277 of My Articles are STILL on HubPages
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Please Ban Me

Remove My Work and Pay What You Owe Me

Informed consent in the health care field has everything to do with full disclosure, an understanding of the risks and benefits, and a two-way dialogue with a patient prior to any form of treatment.
The business world has some leaders that understand the depth of that honesty (like here, on InfoBarrel).
Honesty that builds trust, that keeps consumers coming back, that makes people want to recommend your services to others.
Unfortunately, in the business realm, lying is not illegal - nor is deception. One part of a contract can be completely overridden by fine print.
It's become clear to me that the least expensive way to have my content, identity, and profile information removed from HubPages is to join the site and violate their policies.
Yeah, crazy isn't it.
Paul E Discusses Books With Seth (Cartoon)
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How I Found Out

Apparently, someone who went by the pen name religions7 on HubPages was banned.[1] When she asked why, the response from HubPages (according to her post) was:

"Your HubPages account has been permanently banned as a result of serious rules violations."

I have no idea what those "serious rules violations" are (or were) but gee, I wish I knew. You see, HubPages intends to pay her. She even received an email from HubPages that stated:

"I just checked your account and see that it was banned, so you will be issued a payment for the unpaid balance on or around May 28th."

HubPages is Ignoring Me

The funny thing is: HubPages has been ignoring my numerous public attempts to have my work removed from their site for months.[2] 

I never clicked a link and entered a 9-digit "code" in that first email. I suppose to them, I am dead. YAY! Just like with Naiza Oclares,[3] HubPages gets to use my identity, profile, and 277 of my articles solely for their gain.

I began to wonder just how many "players" are involved in this deceptive business practice. It seems that Pinterest is aware of the injustice (as is Google and PayPal).

They have removed my work from a phony account that HubPages set up in my former pen name "sousababy."

I wonder if any former Squidoo authors were told that HubPages would be double-dipping on Pinterest like this?

If you have your own blog (or write elsewhere) and "pin" your other work, those pins are competing with this automated phony Pinterest account.

Not sure I like to be deemed such a spammer, do you? But HubPages doesn't care. Heck, they don't even inform people they are doing this. Find out for yourself, just Google: "your pen name (dot) hubpages (dot) com on Pinterest."

Paul Edmondson Forgot to Continue to Block Me on Google Plus
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Unfortunately, Naiza Oclares Died August 2013

But Look Who's Profiting From Her Identity & Work

April 7th, 2015 HubPages posting 196 articles of the late Naiza Oclares and opened a phony Pinterest account using her pen name and content
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"Inactivity" = You Didn't Surrender Your SSN

HubPages Terms of Use Section About "Account Closure and Inactivity"
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See HubPages Terms of Use (above)[5]

Under "Account Closure and Inactivity" For Details

Robin Edmondson Publicly Admits the Content From "Abandoned" Accounts is Edited
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And I'm Not the Only Person Affected[4]

Her son was told HubPages "did not purchase the website and were not responsible" for his over $600.00

Wendy Hughes Google Plus Comment March 4th, 2015
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I Wonder What Amazon Knows?

On Squidoo, I decided to share my Amazon and eBay royalties with them. I liked the idea of benefiting charity (which is where I understood half of those earnings were sent).

On InfoBarrel (this writing platform), I applied for and received a unique associates ID. 

I recently wrote to Amazon's customer service department and here is what transpired:

Dear Amazon Customer Service, Public Relations, and Legal Department, 

I have been writing for InfoBarrel for over a year and been using a Unique Associates ID. Prior to that, I wrote for Squidoo (since Aug. 2010) under the pen name "sousababy" and I opted to share my Amazon revenue with Squidoo. 

At the end of August 2014, Squidoo sold out to HubPages. I never joined HubPages and they are ignoring my attempts to have my identity, profile, and 277 of my articles removed from their site (at first, it was 293 articles). 

I have no way of knowing what my share of the Amazon royalties are - HubPages allocates these internally and has never shared this information with me. 

Additionally, HubPages has set up a phony Pinterest account using my identity. I've had some success with Pinterest. They have complied with my requests to remove my content (however, I have to continually submit complaints and original URLs). 

I am in the process of seeking legal action against HubPages and would greatly appreciate your cooperation. I need to know precisely HOW much money my content has been earning while its been on HubPages. It was imported on or around September 13th, 2014 and is still on their site today (April 5th, 2015). 

The account has 277 of my articles and pretty much all of them have Amazon products available for public purchase in them: http://sousababy (dot) hubpages (dot) com 

I can be reached at: my email was given

Thank you in advance for preparing a statement or invoice detailing my earnings (or what amount of money has been sent directly to HubPages). 

Most respectfully, 

Rose Webster 
Canadian freelance writer

Amazon's First Response

Hello Rose, 

I'm sorry for the legal troubles and I hope we can give you whatever information you are seeking. We currently don't have the ability to send you a total invoice of your account activity but you can view the activity of your Amazon Associates links through the "Reports" section of Associates Central. Reports are updated every 24 hours; they aren't updated in real time. 

You can log into Associates Central by going to the login page at the following URL: 

http://associates (dot) amazon (dot) com 

To see orders placed through your links, choose Orders Report. Once an order has been shipped you'll be able to view the earned Advertising fees in the Earnings Report. If you have multiple Tracking IDs and would like to view a complete report, check the box on the left sidebar entitled Combined Reports. 

To view your earned bounty referrals, choose the Miscellaneous Referrals Report. Here, you'll be able to see the number of sign-ups for each bounty, as well as the total amount earned. 

To see the activity of a particular link type (Product links, aStore links, Text Links, Banner Links etc.) choose Link-Type Report. Please note, Widgets will not appear in this Link Type Report. 

I hope this helps.

Best regards,
Andrew D.

Amazon Asked If My Issue Was Resolved

I Clicked "No" and Submitted the Following:

I did NOT have an affiliate account when I was on Squidoo - I shared the Amazon royalties with Squidoo. Your instructions only allowed me to view my Amazon sales from InfoBarrel (where I DO have an affiliate Amazon account). 

The problem is: HubPages has 277 of my former Squidoo articles. All of them have Amazon products for sale on them. HubPages allocates Amazon and eBay sales "internally" (so they say). 

HubPages has NOT informed me about the Amazon (nor eBay) sales my articles have been collecting since Sept. 13, 2014 until today (April 7th, 2015). This is information that I need to know from Amazon. My articles (illegally posted) on HubPages are written by me, under the pen name "sousababy." Please see previous complaint for links. 

The Circular Logic Behind the Scenes

Amazon Customer Service Peeps (Cartoon)
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Amazon's Second Response

Hello Rosemary, 

I'm terribly sorry that our previous message did not fully address your concerns. 

As mentioned by my colleague, we can only provide details regarding the account (on InfoBarrel) linked to the email you're writing from per our security restrictions. We're unable to provide details regarding earnings under a different account or how they may be allocated per that user's policies. 

I've reviewed your previous request and apologize but we aren't able to provide details regarding sales that have been made from the articles you've mentioned if they were previously linked to Squidoo and then passed over to Hubpages once the two merged. The only suggestion we can provide at this time is to contact Hubpages directly regarding your articles and request any information necessary to resolve your situation. 

I was able to find a link on their site regarding copyright infringement: 

http://hubpages (dot) com/help/copyright_infringement 

Since we have provided as much information as possible regarding your situation, further inquiries related to this matter will not receive a response

I wish you well in resolving this matter.

Best regards,
Jenn J.

Crazy Logic That Keeps People "In Place"

Paul E Talking to Amazon's Ms. J. (Cartoon)
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Okay, Amazon Won't Budge

But I'm Sure They Keep Accurate Records

It feels strange to disclose my personal information to Amazon's Customer Service department and receive responses from people who only need to be identified by their first name and last initial.

Well, thank you so much Andrew D. and Jenn J.

I'm taking this to the Federal Trade Commission now.

Google would clearly know that my email is attached to that "sousababy" account via my Google Analytics tracking codes (see screenshot next).

Google knows the truth, hundreds of former Squidoo writers know the truth, yet I need to spend money seeking legal action because I am telling the truth. The whole truth.

Hey, My Google Analytics Still Tracks

RoseWrites and SousababySquidoo (via my Gmail)

Google Analytics (UA numbers smudged) Proving RoseWrites and sousababy accounts are linked to my gmail
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And When I Googled "Squidoo"

The First Entry States: "Squidoo is now HubPages"

Just Google "Squidoo" and it states "Squidoo is now HubPages"
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Addendum April 9th, 2015

The FTC Received My Complaint About HubPages

The FTC Received My Complaint About HubPages
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I Wonder How THAT Conversation Will Go?

Paul Edmondson Trying to Explain to the FTC (Cartoon)
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Robin Speaks to FTC (Cartoon)
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Apr 7, 2015 8:43pm
I never thought about that Amazon and Squidoo thing till now. I did receive the money owed after my first and only Amazon sale on the site but never could understand how they were able to do what they did. A crazy thought probably, but what if the amazon links (standard amazon links) provided by squidoo were actually tied to their personal account?

Would like to the Amazon links thing but can't really decide how I want to go about it. Any way, another amazing article.
Apr 8, 2015 6:28am
Well, in the four years I was on Squidoo, I thought Amazon royalties were tracked honestly. We were able to access Amazon sales stats from our dashboard.

With HubPages, Amazon (and eBay) royalties are "internally" tracked. Which means (I suppose) that HubPages doesn't share information "readily" with content owners.

The "game" being played here is this:

When it works to HubPages advantage, we are told Squidoo merged with HubPages (therefore, content REALLY didn't need to have authors' consent).

But whenever HubPages starts to enforce "different" rules, well ha, then "HubPages trumps Squidoo's policies."

Paul Edmondson's famous line (excuse): "By posting your content ... you grant HubPages blah, blah, (your first born), blah, and more blah."

But here's the catch:

Former Squidoo authors did NOT post their work on HubPages; we did NOT post our author content. This was ALL done AUTOMATICALLY (without authors' consent).

I think the Federal Trade Commission and the bad publicity alone will cost the Edmondsons dearly.

But really, I don't think they care.

As long as writers sign up and abandon accounts, HubPages makes money. They (HubPages) keeps 100% of the earnings from people who give up (or have no money to pursue a copyright infringement case).

So, to piss authors off won't bother them (as long as people keep joining). Hence, all the shills involved in this big business scheme.

Thank you so much for taking the time (again) to comment and support my efforts. It means more than you know.

Take good care,

Apr 7, 2015 10:13pm
Evidently HubPages doesn't consider your articles about their extraordinarily unethical behaviors to be a violation of their rules sufficient to ban you and the articles they stole from you from their website.
Apr 8, 2015 6:46am
Yeah, it's incredible really. I haven't touched those articles since 2013 and yet my Author Score (aka "Scraper's Rating") continues to remain high.

I feel sorry for all those Hubbers struggling to keep a high score (who keep on tweaking their work). They keep reporting the scrapers and plagiarists (and so on).

Those Author Scores probably have MORE to do with the percentage of profit HubPages makes from an author (I'm dead to them, so they are keeping 100% of ad share revenue, Amazon, and eBay royalties - for now).

Here's the reality of every unethical business though:

It takes more than one person or company to continue with the scam.

Sure, Amazon, Pinterest, and perhaps even Google might be enticed to "look the other way" - but (in my experience) EVENTUALLY someone comes forth and tells the truth.

HubPages knows the costs involved for a single author to claim copyright infringement (and it's steep), so they are fairly confident they can continue to profit from authors' identities and content.

Oh and what about that unchanged policy: HubPages will not pay authors their rightful earnings UNTIL tax information is submitted to them. Squidoo didn't (and InfoBarrel doesn't) require SSNs.

The IRS made it clear that HubPages does not need to ask for SSNs.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of HubPages. Recently, 1200 authors left that platform (in one week).

Thank you once again for supporting me Jonathan.
Apr 9, 2015 10:48am
I'm also curious to see how long HubPages is going to last in its current state.

"It's become clear to me that the least expensive way to have my content, identity, and profile information removed from HubPages is to join the site and violate their policies"

I find this just amazing that if you'd just break some of their rules, you could potentially resolve this issue. I think you're right, they don't care about their image...if they did they'd just close your account, pay up and move on.
Apr 9, 2015 4:46pm
Well, they've recently had an Editor's Choice Hub go viral, so it seems the site is getting traffic. And I think as long as people keep joining the site (and giving up) HubPages gets to keep their earnings (along with their user information - including SSNs - pretty scary what could happen to that info).

I just remembered that another former Squidoo person's son lost over $600. He emailed Squidoo, got forwarded to HubPages who told him to go back to Squidoo (which was closed). He was told that they [HubPages] "did NOT purchase the website and were not responsible." (I just added the screenshot of this commentary to my article now).

I just hope the Federal Trade Commission can look into this. One of their goals (as stated on their website) is to: "prevent fraud, deception, and unfair business practices in the marketplace."

Thanks so much for dropping by and commenting Leigh. I really respect and appreciate your input.

Take good care,
Apr 10, 2015 2:56am
That's terrible, I hope both you, he and all the others get the money owed (I suspect in that woman's son's case Squidoo probably walked away with it?)
Apr 11, 2015 6:17pm
Oh probably, but when you Google "Squidoo" the first thing that pops up is "Squidoo is now HubPages."

So, as I've said before, it appears that HubPages is playing the "that was Squidoo's problem" when it comes to paying people but using the "Squidoo's content is really ours" when it comes to copyright infringement.

I sure hope people keep all of their emails regarding monies owed, the Federal Trade Commission keeps a list of "Recent FTC Cases Resulting in Refunds" with contact info (and phone numbers): https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/refunds
Apr 11, 2015 6:25pm
I just added that screenshot to my article of what comes up when I Google "Squidoo."
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