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Want to Leave HubPages? How to Get All of Your Earnings

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HubPages 1-Month Traffic Statistics by Quantcast Taken May 3rd 2015
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

A Cold Hard Fact

HubPages is Dying

I'm writing this for everyone who writes on the HubPages platform - not just for those who transferred (willingly or not) from Squidoo.

I've been looking at the Quantcast and Alexa data and reading the numerous posts about people losing both traffic and their income writing for HubPages. It doesn't look good.

There are numerous reasons such as Google's latest Penguin, Panda, and Pirate updates but it doesn't matter why.

What matters is that if you leave HubPages, you should be able to delete your account, profile/identity (avatar), content and keep all of your deserved income.

On the current FAQ about account closure, it states: "Do not close your account if you do not want to forfeit your current balance."[1]

I feel this is grossly unfair. What's more, in their Terms of Use[2] it states:

"HubPages does not claim ownership of Your Hub Content or Author Content."

However, it also states:

"You may not remove your Author Content from the Service. [But I, like many others, NEVER joined HubPages]. HubPages may preserve and store Hub Content (including, for a commercially reasonable time, Hub Content you have removed from the Service) or Author Content, and may disclose such content if required to do so by law or if HubPages believes in good faith that such preservation or disclosure is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process (e.g., subpoenas); (b) enforce these Terms; (c) respond to claims that any Hub or Content violates the rights of third parties; or (d) protect the rights, property, or personal safety of HubPages, its users and the public."

Paul Edmondson Broke the Law

You are NOT held to the Terms of Use

Once someone has broken the law, you do not need to divulge more information to them. You contact the authorities (which I did). Within 24 hours of discovering an email from HubPages with the subject line "sousababy: Your Lenses Have Been Imported!" I filed an IC3 report.

But what about those who were already writing on HubPages or who willingly accepted the transfer of their work from Squidoo?

Yes, you have some options.

Halloween is Over, Squidoo's Best Season

HubPages didn't benefit at all from this "acquisition"

Squidoo Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ALL
Credit: Screenshot by RoseWrites / All rights reserved

My Letter to the Company That Hosts HubPages

Dear Mr. Brian Britton, General Manager, Northern California at Level 3 Communications Inc. (San Francisco Bay Area),[9]

My name is Rose Webster and I am an author at InfoBarrel. A website, HubPages Inc., located at 95 Minna Street, San Francisco, CA 94105 has broken the law and is continuing to post my profile, identity, and 293 articles of mine under my former Squidoo name sousababy.

According to WHOIS information, you host HubPages Inc.[3]

Within 24 hours of discovering my stolen content, I filed an IC3 report.

I have not heard from the IC3 (yet) and I have since updated my file with them. I am claiming losses of 10 dollars/day per article that my content is being used by HubPages. As I'm sure you know, the IC3 is a partnership between the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C).

On November 4th, 2014, I discovered my profile, identity, and 293 articles of mine were still being publicly posted on HubPages (with their ads) making money for someone other than me. This entire transaction took place without my permission and despite my public protests during the Squidoo-HubPages illegal sale of authors' work.

You can access the complete picture of what transpired, including screenshot proof and my videotaped attempt to delete my entire account on Squidoo in Dear Google, HubPages Is Posting My Content and I Need to File 293 DMCA Notices.

On or around September 13th, 2014, my entire profile, avatar photo, and 293 articles of mine were copied onto your servers without permission. The original profile, avatar photo and 293 articles to which I own the exclusive copyrights, can be found at: https://web.archive.org/web/20140627140956/http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/sousababy 

The unauthorized and infringing copy can be found at: http://sousababy.hubpages.com/ 

In addition, I'd like to remind you that HubPages Terms of Use states their "terms will be governed by the laws of the State of California without regard to its conflict of law provisions."

However, California's Penal Code 496 (Receiving Stolen Property Law)[4] states it will "impose harsh criminal penalties on people who: buy, receive, conceal, sell, or withhold from the owner (author) any property [content] that they know has been stolen." 

This letter is official notification under Section 512(c) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).[5] 

I demand the removal of my identity, profile, and all 293 articles from your servers. You need to notify HubPages Inc. of this notice and indicate that they need to remove the infringing material immediately. You also need to inform HubPages to cease any further posting of my identity (avatar), profile information and content from both their website (and your server) in the future.

A reminder: the law requires you (as a service provider), to remove or disable access to the infringing materials upon receiving this notice. Under US law, service providers are granted immunity from a copyright lawsuit if you act immediately to rectify copyright infringement.

In the event that HubPages does not comply, you will need to remove the infringing material from your servers to remain immune from a copyright infringement action. Otherwise, your immunity is lost.[6]

For Other Writers Who Will Come Forth

There is another reason I am publicly drawing your attention to this matter. For the sake of other online writers who might be held to the HubPages Terms of Use which states:

"In the event that the Agreement is terminated by you (pursuant to HubPages’ receipt of your written termination notice) the entire amount of an earned balance in your account will be permanently forfeited by you (and you hereby waive any claim relating to the dispute of such payment and disclaim any and all interest in such funds)."

Such a contract will be found unenforceable[13][14] under the following conditions (aka defences to the contract):

Undue Influence

When pressure is put on someone to enter into a contract by someone who is taking advantage of a special relationship, a court will deem a contract invalid. It also applies when someone is overly susceptible (for whatever reason) to pressure tactics.
I feel that when rms (Robin Svedi, Community Organizer at Squidoo)[7] told a writer named Mickey G, "You will need to start a new account for the transfer of lenses. Click the green button on your dashboard to begin the process" was an example of undue influence (if not coercion under duress). 
Mickey G had expressed, "OK. I really do not need to hear this right now. My husband unexpectedly died on July 8th and I really do not have the time to think about moving my pages..." [see screenshot next].
Mickey G and rms screenshot proof of Undue Influence or Coercion Under Duress
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel


When the resulting terms of a contract shocks the conscience of a court, the court may strike down a contract, labeling it as unconscionable. 

Not only have I been shocked to find my identity, profile, and all 293 articles of mine on HubPages, I was horrified to find the same of someone who died on August 20th, 2013.

Naiza Oclares had 321 articles. Now they are on HubPages[8] with ads and making money for someone other than Naiza. This is truly shocking. The screenshot below was taken November 9th, 2014.

How Could Naiza Oclares Consent to This?

And how on earth could she have joined 8 weeks ago?

NAIZA LM on HubPages? But she died Aug. 20th, 2013!
Credit: Screenshot taken November 9th, 2014 by RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

January 4th, 2015 - Who Set This Up?

I was appalled to discover this on Pinterest one day

5 Pins from Naiza Oclares (who died August 20th, 2013)
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel


Misrepresentation occurred numerous times during the Squidoo-HubPages transaction. Corey Brown reworded, concealed, or misrepresented the facts and consequences that writers would face if they did or did not agree to the transfer of their content to HubPages.

The following passages from Regret Your HubPages-Squidoo Transfer or Content Deletion? Help to Get Your Earnings Back are examples of misrepresentation:

"We want to make it clear that even after tomorrow’s deadline, you will have complete access to your Dashboard..." ~ Corey Brown in his post Reminder: HubPages Opt Out Deadline is Tomorrow[10]

Access to delete our accounts or work was impossible after midnight ET on August 29th, 2014 - even though our work was publicly posted, with Amazon and eBay products available for purchase, and showing ads online until (at least) September 2nd, 2014.

"Everything is on track for the timeline to begin converting accounts on Tuesday, September 2nd." ~ Corey Brown in his post Reminder: HubPages Opt Out Deadline is Tomorrow [see screenshot next, quotes are circled in red].
"In other words, any revenue generated by lenses will be paid for as long as they remain live on Squidoo." ~ Corey Brown's last line in his post An Update on September Earnings[11]
Corey Brown stated their "as usual" payment policies applied. People thought Squidoo would pay writers for everything (Amazon, eBay, ad share revenue, and other late payments). However, this actually turned out to mean that you forfeited everything for the preceding 60-day pay period and were only going to be paid your Amazon and eBay royalties.
Corey Brown's misleading quotes
Credit: Screenshot by RoseWrites on InfoBarrel
Corey Brown's last line was misleading
Credit: Screenshot by RoseWrites on InfoBarrel


This occurs when someone neglects to disclose (state) an important fact about the deal or contract. The parties involved have a duty to disclose only material facts. But if someone impacted by the terms of the deal (or contract) specifically asks about a fact (material or non-material), then that person has a duty to disclose the whole truth.

I am sure there are numerous examples, the ones most clearly stuck in my mind are the following found in Corey Brown's August 22nd, 2014 post titled Important Update on the HubPages Transition:[12]

TanoCalvenoa asks:

"Is there no option for being paid for August, but NOT being transferred to HubPages?"

Corey Brown responds:

"Transferring your account to HubPages has no bearing on the payment rules I mentioned above. There is no opt in requirement to be paid (and opting out is as described - you will be paid)."

Further along, TanoCalvenoa asks for further clarification and advises Corey Brown of my intentions (as sousababy on Squidoo). Note: screenshot proof follows this section.

TanoCalvenoa states:

"Answers to questions about the transfer continue to be unclear. Will anyone be paid for August for lenses that were deleted? If not, then it comes across as "You will consent to the transfer or no pay for you!" I deleted all my lenses but expect to be paid for July, and the portion of August that they were up. Or will I be punished for not wanting to be on HubPages?

One fellow lensmaster, sousababy, intends to leave her account up until close to midnight August 31st with intent of being paid for August.

Let's get a clear answer about this."

Corey Brown retorts:

"I answered your question below. If you delete lenses, they will only get their attributable revenue (Amazon and eBay royalties). I'm not sure what's unclear here, but to answer you specifically: you will be paid for July and you will be paid for whatever attributable revenue you earned in August for the lens(es) you've deleted. We are not basing payment on anything related to opting in (or not) with HubPages."

TanoCalvenoa asks Corey Brown questions
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel
TanoCalvenoa asks Corey Brown for further clarification
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

More Proof of Nondisclosure

And if you think that TanoCalvenoa and I were the only ones who found Corey Brown's responses vague and confusing, others did too. 

In the comments section of two Google Plus posts, former Squidoo writer John Tannahill wrote the following (screenshot follows):

"I'm quite happy to see all my Squidoo lenses go offline completely for a time. I'm working on other things at the moment and not publishing..."[19]


"The drawing skills are improving I see. I deleted most of my lenses a couple of weeks ago, then couldn't decide what to do with the remaining five and missed the deadline. Now we'll have to see if the end up on HP or not."[20]

John Tannahill Comments
Credit: Screenshot by RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

Marisa Wright assured us August 21st, 2014

When the site closes down, your articles will disappear:

Aug. 21, 2014 Marisa Wright reassures us our articles "will disappear"
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

And Those Who Were Away Were Told

"I was told I can only do it [keep content] in HP..."

Comment by aesta1 on Is HubPages Hanging Squids Out to Dry?
Credit: Screenshot by RoseWrites

No One Needs to Go to Court

But someone in California may be willing to testify

According to Copyright lawyer Charles Petit, as stated in an article[15] by Moira Allen, of Writing World: 

"Under the terms of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, ISPs are required to remove material if they are notified that the material infringes upon someone's copyright. The infringement does not have to be "proven" (e.g., in court); the statement by the author that the material is an infringement is sufficient.

The notice of infringement makes the ISP [in this case, Level 3 Communications Inc.] responsible once notified of the infringement in writing, and is signed under penalty of perjury."

To Every Writer on HubPages

A court will never enforce a contract [Terms of Use] promoting something already against state or federal law.[14] Another person, who also filed an IC3 report, might be willing to appear in a court as a witness (however, HubPages has no legal right to retain the earnings of any writer who wishes to leave their platform).

Therefore, I am providing this notice and open letter in good faith and with the reasonable belief that rights I own [and the rights of other writers] are being infringed. Under penalty of perjury I certify that the information contained in the notification and in this open letter article is both true and accurate.

Should any writer currently on HubPages (whether they joined before or after Squidoo was acquired) wish to collect their earnings and promptly have their articles (aka Hubs) and account information permanently deleted - I am imploring you, Mr. Brian Britton, General Manager, Level 3 Communications Inc., to honour their request in a timely fashion.

To File Your Own DMCA Notice

Another writer on InfoBarrel, classicalgeek, has put together two form letters that make it easy to file a Notice of Infringement Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. I recommend using the second letter in her article Dealing with Copied Content: Easier, Faster DMCA Notices.

Final Point

Squidoo's Terms of Service and HubPages had/have identical statements:

"HubPages does not claim ownership of Your Hub Content or Author Content. Such content will be owned by You or a third party from whom You got permission to post the content."

Squidoo has removed their Terms of Service from their existing domain; however, I was able to locate the following via the Internet Archive:


We will NEVER, however, disclose personally identifying information, except as specifically authorized by you or in the good faith belief that such action is reasonably necessary to comply with the law, legal process..."[16]

If we, as writers online, allow Seth Godin et al. and Paul Edmondson et al. to break their own Terms of Service/Use and violate US and state laws, we've lost everything. It means that anyone, at anytime, can buy our identity, profile, and content (perhaps without us ever knowing about it) and profit from it.

We might never see a cent from our hard earned work.

I wonder what Naiza Oclares or her family would have to say about this. And I wonder how many more people are out there who have no idea (for whatever reason) that their work/identity was illegally sold (without their permission) to Paul Edmondson et al. and he is profiting from it.

You do not need to be bound by the terms of any agreement once one party has broken the law. Anyone on HubPages right now has the right to claim all of their earnings and have their entire account, identity (avatar), and content deleted permanently - at any time.

HubPage's ISP [currently Level 3 Communications Inc.] must comply with any DMCA takedown request by the content owner (original author) in a timely fashion.

I will be forwarding a copy of this open letter article to the IC3, the Google Removals Team, to everyone I know on Google Plus that has any involvement with HubPages and sharing it among friends and family.

Thank you for reading and sharing my message.

Addendum November 12th, 2014

I had a great deal of traffic to this article, so I searched out the source.[17] Interestingly enough, someone who probably moderates on HubPages wrote a response [see screenshot next]. 

Her last two sentences state:

"She's one of the small group of writers who totally misunderstood their status at Squidoo and will never accept that Squidoo had the legal right to sell their business to HubPages, which included their articles. And to collect their Squidoo earnings, all they had to do was leave their Hubs [articles] published for a short period of time."

Now, if that doesn't tell you what HubPages was really after (confidential user information, identity, avatar, profile information) than I don't know what does.

And no, to reiterate again:

Squidoo's TOS [which is suspiciously removed from the site] stated:

"The content: who owns it?

As a Lensmaster, you will be able to incorporate various forms of Content into your Lenses. Squidoo does not claim ownership of the Content you place on your Lens. The Content will be owned by you or a third party from whom you got permission to post the content."
And (as above):
"Our Privacy Policy is Your Privacy Policy

We will NEVER, however, disclose personally identifying information, except as specifically authorized by you..."

Small group of writers? Hmm, don't think so. And it looks like these suspicions were also raised in 2011 [almost three years ago] by Edward of Olympia, WA on the Consumer Affairs site which states:

"My attorney is watching HubPages, and if someone there starts to publish my old items, we will sue them for abuse of my first amendment rights. Some of the other people they did this same thing to, live in other countries, and the few hundred dollars a month they were making was saving their lives and putting their children through school. HubPages yanked that away from them, with not one single word of explanation."[18]

Is HubPages in trouble? Comment by Marisawright
Credit: Screenshot by RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

Addendum November 15th, 2014

It's been drawn to my attention that people who deleted all of their lenses (but left their account up) had their profiles automatically moved to HubPages without their consent.

Numerous people who were upset about this whole transaction also confided in me that they would only leave their "crappiest" lenses [articles] on Squidoo with the hopes of being paid everything they were entitled to for the entire month of August 2014.

Remember Corey Brown assured us that transfers would begin on September 2nd - so why wouldn't they be entitled to the all the monies owing for August (ad pool revenue, eBay, Amazon, and "late" payments)?

Note: See references section at the end of my article for links to these quotes. And I also provide screenshot proof (following these quoted passages).

In the comments section of Reminder: HubPages Opt Out Deadline is Tomorrow,[21] Corey Brown stated:

"Once your account is moved, all of your Featured lenses will get a 301 redirect. You'll have to check with HubPages on how to delete your account. We plan to shut down the Squidoo servers after all accounts are successfully transferred and we've wrapped up everything on this end. That's expected to happen at the end of September/beginning of October."

And, Corey Brown also states:

"We won't turn the lights off until after all of the accounts that are going to be transferred are successfully transferred and we've done all the other necessary things. The expected date for that would be late September or early October.

Your account will be transferred all at once, but the accounts themselves will be transferred on a rolling basis. You'll get an email once your account is moved.

Amazon and eBay modules are being converted over. You should check your profile on HubPages for Amazon and other settings.

If your account is opted in (or hasn't been deleted and has at least 1 featured lens), then all of your lenses attached to that account will be transferred. Featured lenses will be published on HubPages with a 301 redirect from the original Squidoo URL. WIP lenses will be in your account, but unpublished. You can update/publish those at any time..."

TanoCalvenoa left me the message on my Google Plus post:[22]

"Well, they certainly didn't give me my earnings. Corey Brown promised me when I specifically asked, that we would get everything we're entitled to, and that there was no requirement to go along with the transfer to HubPages to get paid. 

Squidoo also said, multiple times, that only lensmasters with featured lenses would have their accounts transferred to HubPages

So guess what - after deleting all my lenses in the second half of August they only paid me half (approximately) of what they owed me, and then they transferred my account with no lenses/articles to HubPages! They were so deceptive and dishonest, it's unbelievable. 

I had to log into HubPages, essentially creating an account for a few seconds until I could delete my account from there. Otherwise my name and image would've been on there without my consent and against what they had promised!"

So I have to wonder, is it user information that Seth Godin et al. sold to Paul Edmondson et al. and if so, what is the current status of that information? Is it being stored, sold, or otherwise used without the original owner ever knowing about it?

After perusing the HubPages forum, I found it interesting that moderators (employees of HubPages) are encouraging writers to keep their work published "for at least a year." Is this in order to maximize advertising revenue?

Also, I find it curious that a moderator[23] would state "if they're published on HubPages, they're at high risk of being stolen..." is that because content is being sold?

Once your account is moved...
Credit: RoseWrites
and has at least 1 featured lens...
Credit: RoseWrites
TanoCalvenoa (aka Jonathan Nielsen) comment Nov 15th, 2014
Credit: RoseWrites

Barbara Kay is "Intheknow" (see comments)

"After paying money for the Squidoo lenses"[24]

Barbara Kay is "Intheknow" on IB and left me a shill or troll-sounding comment
Credit: RoseWrites

My Consumer Affairs Complaint Status

Note: You must give at least a 1 star rating = angry

My Consumer Affairs Complaint Status Nov. 19th, 2014
Credit: RoseWrites on InfoBarrel

Addendum May 3rd, 2015

Status: Waiting - COMPANY | Views: 11,329

My Consumer Affairs Complaint Status
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Oh Look, Sue Adams via HubPages

Best Practices? Subject line is: "Stop it already"

Sue Adams email subject line: Stop it already
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Check Back for Updates

I am still waiting for a response from a Consumer Affairs lawyer, the IC3 and the ISP for HubPages - Mr. Brian Britton or someone from Level 3 Communications Inc.

My related articles: HubPages and Squidoo: 8 Lies You've Been ToldTheories Why HubPages Unfeatured Former Squidoo Articles, Why on Earth Is Any Squid Filing a DMCA With Google? and Dear Larry Page and Paul Edmondson provide succinct lists, more proof of where your trust (and the law) has been broken, and squash the rumours you've been led to believe by shills and trolls throughout this ordeal.

Another shocking revelation is discovering how author identities are being used online and on Pinterest by HubPages. I talk you through how to check for and report someone on Pinterest.

If you want a good laugh, my satirical observations of this Squidoo-HubPages fiasco will put a smile back on your face. And find out the hilarious excuses that Pinterest came up with when they responded to my complaint.

Protect yourself from identity theft. Do not give HubPages your SSN (Social Security Number) or tax information. And find out the truth behind the Editor's Choice program. Clearly, HubPages is breaking the law.

Finally, in a last-ditch attempt to have my identity, profile, and articles removed from HubPages, I wrote Paul Edmondson: Ban Sousababy From HubPages. I even reported my own profile on HubPages.

And on April 22nd, 2015, I wrote an open letter to the FTC titled Dear Federal Trade Commission. If justice is served, I am requesting that 50% of any monies recovered from the Squidoo-HubPages deal go directly towards providing safe drinking water for California.

Thank you for sharing this important information with other online writers.



Nov 10, 2014 9:57pm
This entire transaction has been filled with so much fraud and corruption, it's unbelievable. I fully support what you're doing. Don't let them get away with this obvious theft!
Nov 11, 2014 11:23am
You were warned more than a month ahead that Squidoo was closing and you could move your content anywhere you wanted. Hubpages is like everyone else and you need to have the minimum payout in your account to get paid. If you did, you would still receive it in your Paypal account. There was a notice at Squidoo that was up for a couple of months to let you know this was going to happen. You were allowed to opt out of having your lenses removed.

There are still many writers at Hubpages doing just fine. Talking about breaking the law, this article could be considered slander. I know you will delete this, but fine. I think you should know that you are mistaken.
Nov 11, 2014 1:07pm
There is nothing slanderous at all in my article. Everything is fact - with footnotes and screenshot proof. If the facts don't point to HubPages being an honest, law-abiding company, then that is the sad outcome for HubPages.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Squidoo was closing - yes. I made it clear on public posts and to members of the SquidTeam that I was not granting my permission to move my "data" nor sell my user information, identity (avatar) or profile. I fully expected all of my content (profile, identity, photos, videos, and avatar) to be permanently deleted on or around September 2nd, 2014. I backed up every single article on there - as I wrote them.

Additionally, every single article I wrote on Squidoo stated the exact date I published the article and "All rights reserved. Copyright 2013 - 2014 sousababy. Do not 'tag' the work of others. Do not copy, steal or plagiarize. If content is duplicated, you will receive a DMCA takedown notice and may lose ad revenue" at the end of each intro section.

Take a look for yourself, in my profile section (when expanded) it states this in bold: "Every single article I've written is: All rights reserved and protected by copyrights from 2010 - 2014 sousababy." https://web.archive.org/web/20140627140956/http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/sousababy

Squidoo's (now removed Terms of Service) clearly stated: "7. OUR PRIVACY POLICY IS YOUR PRIVACY POLICY - We will NEVER, however, disclose personally identifying information, except as specifically authorized by you or in the good faith belief that such action is reasonably necessary to comply with the law, legal process..."

Seth Godin et al. broke the law and their own TOS by selling user content.

Paul Edmondson et al. broke the laws of California when they: "bought and received property [content] that they know has been stolen." See California's Penal Code 496 (Receiving Stolen Property Law).

To PROFIT from stolen content holds an even harsher sentence (including imprisonment).

Do you honestly think that a judge in California (and someone else who filed an IC3 resides in California could testify as a witness) will accept the explanation from Paul Edmondson and Seth Godin that they "forgot" their own Terms of Use/Service? It states/d:

"HubPages/Squidoo does not claim ownership of Your Hub [article] Content or Author Content. Such content will be owned by You or a third party from whom You got permission to post the content."

Yeah, I can see it now: Paul and Seth say, "Oops we forgot, we don't own the content."

Nah, I won't delete your comment. I'd like everyone to see who you are and what you have to say.

For those who were away or busy from August 14th until August 30th (or were DEAD), their user information and content was bought and sold (without their express permission) and is now making money for HubPages - who will NOT pay them until they "verify" payment information.

No one needs to stay "in any agreement/contract" with someone who has clearly violated the laws of California.

By default, no one who was at Squidoo should have had to pay a penalty (give up their previous 60-day ad pool revenue) if they deleted their account/content on or before August 29th, 2014.

Oh and BTW, Squidoo still kept lenses (articles) publicly posted (with ads and items for sale) in those articles past August 29th - even though NO ONE could delete their account or edit content out of their articles. As Corey Brown stated numerous times, "transfers are set to begin Sept. 2nd, 2014."

Thanks for dropping by and commenting - it's good to know which side of the law you are on.
Nov 14, 2014 3:50am
I just found out that HubPages recently changed their Terms of Use. They added this statement:

"You acknowledge and agree that You will not publicly disclose Your payments or Earned Balance (including any subcomponents thereof) from the HubPages Earnings Program without prior written consent of HubPages."

And, just a reminder, it also states:

"You acknowledge and agree that HubPages may change the revenue share with any third-party and/or You at any time, in HubPages’ sole discretion."

I wonder if the are paying (or intending to pay) writers even less now?
Nov 19, 2014 9:26pm
Why don't you want to be at HubPages? The earning there is very good.
Nov 19, 2014 9:45pm
Besides Paul Edmondson et al. breaking the law, I routinely earn 90% of the ad share on InfoBarrel. (75% is the minimum, but if you write often enough and get the points, you earn more).

Have you read through HubPages Terms of Use? HubPages can change the payment structure at any time - and it looks like they are doing that now (since it's now a no-no to disclose earnings without written permission from HP). If you wish to leave, you also forfeit your earnings.

It bothers me that despite my numerous public protests and the fact that I have NEVER clicked a link throughout this entire Squidoo-HubPages transaction, that my identity, profile, user information, and 293 of my articles are now posted on HubPages without my permission.

Unless I "follow some link" in my (still unopened) first email from HubPages, to "verify payment information" it looks like Paul Edmondson et al. have decided THEY get to keep all of my earnings - from my work. How can this be legal? IT ISN'T.

Being a millionaire doesn't suddenly make it legal to buy stolen property. Nor does the first email I received from HubPages which (to my shock) wasn't a "request" to post my content but this blatant (arrogant) subject line: sousababy: Your Lenses Have Been Imported!

Oh and I wonder how many dead people's identities are being profited from by HubPages? I see that HubPages is featuring Naiza's identity, profile, and 321 of her articles: http://naizalm.hubpages.com/

Even though she died, her profile (which has 0 activity) states she "Joined 2 months ago." Somehow, there is just something about being on a platform that is trying to profit from those who have no idea (or are dead) bothers me enough to want to pursue this legally.

And I have.

Hope that answers your question.
Nov 19, 2014 10:03pm
No it doesn't answer my question. Your answer is about something completely different. My question is very clear: Why don't you want to be at HubPages, when it is a fact that you would earn more at HubPages than on InfoBarrel - with the same articles
Nov 19, 2014 10:14pm
And HOW do you know that I would "earn more at HubPages" than on InfoBarrel?

I have filed a complaint with the IC3 (a partnership between the FBI and the white collar crime center). My losses are stated (conservatively) at $10/day per article on HubPages that they CONTINUE to use what clearly does NOT belong to them.

Paul Edmondson et al. are held to the laws of California (over any Terms of Use). There are stiff penalties for buying, receiving, concealing, selling, or withholding from the owner any property [content] that they know has been stolen. See my bibliography at the end for a clickable link to Penal Code 496. [By penalties, jail time is a possibility].

It makes no sense to me for moral reasons (as well as legal reasons) to "do business" in any manner with a criminal.

One witness (who has also filed an IC3 report) lives in California - and could testify. So, if this goes to trial, I am ready.

My question to you is this: did you read my article here at all? And if so, didn't it kinda bother you that HubPages is profiting from the work of dead people?
Nov 19, 2014 10:40pm
You keep on answering something completely different.
I repeat my statement that the same articles on HubPages vs InfoBarrel will give the author a better monthly payment.
Your question about the earnings of dead authors is something completely different. The law is clear on this issue. Therefore the estate after a dead author will get the profit and copyrights for many years after the death. So most likely the children and grandchildren, or whomever is her heirs will benefit (most likely for the next 70 years).
Nov 19, 2014 11:02pm
HA, what a crock.

HubPages sent me an email (which is still unopened). Other writers (many) have told me what is in that arrogant email.

The first email from HubPages REQUIRES the recipient to "verify" their payment information - otherwise the content owner does NOT get paid (even if s/he never gave permission to have his or her content and user information sold to and posted on HubPages in the first place).

This is a form of click fraud, actually.

So, I will leave it up to the FBI to investigate if the earnings of dead authors on HubPages are actually BEING sent to their heirs. I highly doubt it. No one has sent me a penny from HubPages and I am alive (and kicking).
Nov 19, 2014 10:44pm
And by the way: You claim that (your loss) per day/per article is $10. Well, I do have articles here on InfoBarrel which a few times have given me a day/profit of $10 .... but you claim it for each and every day!
Nov 19, 2014 11:11pm
I am being conservative (and Intellectual Property lawyers and a judge will probably realize that as well). My bigger question is this:

When did making MORE money become more important than abiding by the law?

Is it REALLY that okay to break the law in order to get more money?

Yes, my articles include my photos and videos - some people have sued for $50/day for illegal use of those alone.

I am pursuing this since it sets a dangerous precedent for every online writer if Paul Edmondson et al. are allowed to break the law (many laws).

It means our identity as writers, our content and our user information can be bought and sold without us EVER knowing about it and someone else makes money from it.

If THAT isn't found illegal, then I don't know what is.

My guess is you are relaying my messages to HubPages execs. - GOOD. Thank you for driving traffic to my work.

Money earned via fraudulent means doesn't thrill me, I guess. But for some people, money is ALL that matters. Perhaps you find robbing a bank acceptable too?
Nov 20, 2014 12:24am

I have stated facts, provided screenshot proof and every reference in my bibliographies are clickable to the source. My footnotes are numbered within my text.

If the summation of my proof doesn't "look good" on Squidoo and HubPages, that is because of THEIR actions.

Perhaps Seth Godin and Paul Edmondson should have remembered their own Terms of Service/Use: They don't own the content. NEVER did. You cannot sell or buy something that you do not own - it's the law. Being millionaires doesn't make them "exempt" from federal or state law.
Nov 20, 2014 3:27am
In your very first line of the post above you address me!
However, you have deleted my post to which you respond very poorly. You simple continue to write a lot of words, but you do not give me a clear answer to my questions.
Nov 20, 2014 4:14am
You stated four things: "you shouldn't be greedy", "your hate articles against Squidoo and Hubpages", "your articles are against InfoBarrel's TOS", and "your vendetta against Squidoo/HubPages" which are all false - so I deleted your comment.

There is clearly no point in this circular discussion - you just don't "get it." Some people cannot discern right from wrong. There are such types in this world, I know.

Your comments are still in my inbox email - in case I need to show admin. I've given you clear answers to your questions, but you just cannot process them on an emotional level.
Nov 20, 2014 4:23am
well I believe that it is you who have problems ... and you are very welcome to show my comnets to them
IMO Infobarrel articles aren't meant to be the place for a debate that belongs in a courtroom
So I repeat that your anti Squidoo/HubPages articles (which appears more to be papers to be presented in a court) do not belong here. .... Well I haven't flagged them, but I would gladly hear whether InfoBarrel now is the place to make claims such as "Seth Godin and Paul Edmondson broke the law"
Nov 20, 2014 4:30am
It's not a claim, it is fact.

My facts are useful to other online writers - especially those who are too afraid to come forth (probably because of cyberbullies).

I am sure my fact-based articles have been flagged already - so go ahead and complain.
Nov 20, 2014 12:29am
BTW, here's a good example of how just ONE photo can cost $8,000 - almost $100 per page view: http://www.prdaily.com/Main/Articles/How_using_Google_Images_can_cost_you_8000_14912.aspx

It's time for people, even millionaires, to stop taking advantage of those struggling to make ends meet.
Nov 20, 2014 2:12pm
I'm glad you're keeping up with this issue. Squidoo was okay but had too many loop holes with writers taking advantage of them to place in Tier 1. I was going to join HP after the announcement but had the darnest of time locating the FAQ and ToS.

After two days I finally found the information I was looking for. Didn't know about the Squidoo take over or buy out till I actually signed in; no emails were sent. Lowering the lens ranks and worse upping the payout threshold was ill advised.

That said, for those who are high supporters of HP and are doing well, then good for you. HP isn't for everyone nor everyone's cup of tea. This is a very informative article with lots of data and sources for reference. Keep up the awesome work Rose.
Nov 21, 2014 10:50pm
Well, thank you so much Browna for keeping up with my work on this issue.

It's clearly something that (if allowed) would set a dangerous precedent for every writer online. It would mean our identity, user information, email, and content could be bought and sold without us every knowing about it. Someone else could profit entirely from our identity and our work - and we wouldn't see a penny of it.

Apparently, HubPages hasn't updated stats for 4 days now, traffic has been plummeting, and 301 redirects from Squidoo aren't working - numerous writers are getting 404 messages (even those who had work in the 50,000).

I have to wonder if the stats (once actually fixed) will reflect less earnings for writers there too.

Thank you also for the vote of confidence, it means more than you know. (I've spent more hours and days on this than I care to admit).

Dec 28, 2014 7:46pm
This was bloody brilliant! I am at a loss for yours..., good for you. I would not of have know where to begin. Wow, I am very impressed. Good going.
Dec 28, 2014 8:19pm
Dear RKHenry,

Thank you for your comment of support. It's difficult now to find proof online of what has transpired - so I am glad to have kept screenshot proof.

It will be important for others affected by this to be able to cite my proof (which I am happy to provide).

Although I've been bashed over this, the crucial point is that we (as online writers) need and deserve to maintain control over our identity and our content. (Particularly, if that is what was promised to us when we first signed up - on any platform).

Thank you once again for taking to drop by and comment.

Take good care,

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